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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can Kamala protect women?

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WandsOut · 24/08/2024 11:41

Seems to be a lot of support for her from female friends but then what about her support for men in women's prisons...

How influenced is she by the current Biden administration? Will she be listening to Rachel Levine? What will she actually do for women if she can't define what a woman is?

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Shortshriftandlethal · 24/08/2024 16:16

Lovelyview · 24/08/2024 13:46

Well, he packed the supreme court with right wingers who overturned Roe Vs Wade, completely messed up America's COVID response and set in motion the US withdrawal from Afghanistan which lead to the current situation where women can't have any public presence. (The actual withdrawal is on Joe Biden but Trump definitely doesn't care about foreign policy unless it means more money for the USA). He then tried to overcome the result of a legitimate democratic election by inciting violent uprising and pressuring elected officials to deny votes cast for the democrats.

Do you think he did anything positive when in office, at all?

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 17:17

Grammarnut · 24/08/2024 16:08

Some could. Removal of sex-based rights by giving them to transwomen is a lot worse than what Trump thinks about abortion or Vance about older women - neither of which are in the POTUS remit to do anything about - abortion, e.g., is a state matter, not federal.

This is why I was sceptical of this thread.

Abortion is only a state matter because of Donald Trump’s appointments to the SCOTUS during his presidency.

Women and girls are being forced to carry pregnancies from rape to term.

Women are facing criminal investigations, charges and in some cases being jailed because they have had a miscarriage.

Women are being denied life-saving medical treatment during miscarriages that are leaving them infertile or worse because doctors are afraid of being prosecuted under anti-abortion law.

States are passing laws that criminalise women who travel to another state for an abortion and in some states republicans are seriously talking about the need to prevent pregnant women from leaving the state or country in case they have an abortion. Of course that would be totally unconstitutional but you’re relying on the constitution being enforced by a court that has ruled that Donald Trump could not be criminally prosecuted if he ordered the secret service to assassinate a political opponent.

Repealing Roe and kicking it back to the states was only an interim measure. Now you hear republicans talking of a need for a national ban to stop the “problem” of states that allow abortion from undermining the right of states with abortion bans from exercising their right to oppress women.

Trump has no intention of sticking to the limited powers of the POTUS laid out in the constitution and the Supreme Court has shown it has no intention of stopping him from abusing executive power.

LoremIpsumCici · 24/08/2024 17:19

No K cannot, will not and does not.
Especially if you are a Muslim woman.

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 17:20

LoremIpsumCici · 24/08/2024 17:19

No K cannot, will not and does not.
Especially if you are a Muslim woman.

You think Muslim women would be better protected if she loses to Donald Trump than if she wins? That is insane.

endofthelinefinally · 24/08/2024 17:23

Has anybody mentioned contraception not being covered by medical insurance yet?

LoremIpsumCici · 24/08/2024 17:24

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 17:20

You think Muslim women would be better protected if she loses to Donald Trump than if she wins? That is insane.

Did you quote the wrong post? My comment on K has nothing to do with Trump.

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 17:29

LoremIpsumCici · 24/08/2024 17:24

Did you quote the wrong post? My comment on K has nothing to do with Trump.

Defeating Donald Trump in the election is exactly how she would protect Muslim women. You said she couldn’t protect them, implying that Muslim women would be no better off if she wins than if she loses. If they would be better off if she wins then she would have protected them by winning.

Overtheatlantic · 24/08/2024 17:30

Yes Kamala Harris can and will protect women. She will work to bring back Roe v Wade, she will work to provide better access to affordable healthcare, she will provide a $25k subsidy to first time home owners. Let her get started.

LoremIpsumCici · 24/08/2024 17:32

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 17:29

Defeating Donald Trump in the election is exactly how she would protect Muslim women. You said she couldn’t protect them, implying that Muslim women would be no better off if she wins than if she loses. If they would be better off if she wins then she would have protected them by winning.

Sure you can think that if you want. Please don’t presume to know my opinion on Trump though. In addition, it’s not like the only choices are Kamala or Trump.

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 17:36

LoremIpsumCici · 24/08/2024 17:32

Sure you can think that if you want. Please don’t presume to know my opinion on Trump though. In addition, it’s not like the only choices are Kamala or Trump.

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I have no idea what you think of Trump except that you don’t think that Kamala Harris would protect women (particularly Muslim ones) from anything. The logical conclusion of that is that you don’t think they would be any better off if she wins the election. As the only other candidate with any chance of winning is Donald Trump, that suggests that you think Trump would be no worse for them than Harris. If you think that Harris would be better for them then voting for Harris would, by definition, protect those women.

LoremIpsumCici · 24/08/2024 17:37

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 17:36

I have no idea what you think of Trump except that you don’t think that Kamala Harris would protect women (particularly Muslim ones) from anything. The logical conclusion of that is that you don’t think they would be any better off if she wins the election. As the only other candidate with any chance of winning is Donald Trump, that suggests that you think Trump would be no worse for them than Harris. If you think that Harris would be better for them then voting for Harris would, by definition, protect those women.

Ok, carry on. Wrong on all counts btw.

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 17:42

@LoremIpsumCici

I can only go on the little that you’ve written. If I’ve misunderstood what you mean then I’m happy for you to explain what you did mean.

I assumed the “will not, cannot and does not” referred to “will not, cannot and does not protect women”. But maybe I misunderstood. Apologies if so.

Preventing a Donald Trump presidency protects women.

LoremIpsumCici · 24/08/2024 17:46

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 17:42

@LoremIpsumCici

I can only go on the little that you’ve written. If I’ve misunderstood what you mean then I’m happy for you to explain what you did mean.

I assumed the “will not, cannot and does not” referred to “will not, cannot and does not protect women”. But maybe I misunderstood. Apologies if so.

Preventing a Donald Trump presidency protects women.

Yes you have misunderstood my post.

What I mean is that K cannot, will not and does not protect women, especially Muslim women.

The rest is a fairy sandcastle you have imagined I might think about Trump.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Followyouinto · 24/08/2024 18:12

Overtheatlantic · 24/08/2024 17:30

Yes Kamala Harris can and will protect women. She will work to bring back Roe v Wade, she will work to provide better access to affordable healthcare, she will provide a $25k subsidy to first time home owners. Let her get started.

But she thinks men are women - so how can she protect women when she doesn’t even know what a woman is @Overtheatlantic

RoyalCorgi · 24/08/2024 18:26

Let's also remember that when Harris was VP, Biden removed the troops from Afghanistan, with the consequence that millions of Afghan women are now virtually prisoners in their own home, thanks to the Taliban. So I don't have masses of confidence in her to protect women, no.

TheMamaBear · 24/08/2024 18:27

Trump is obviously the best choice if you care about the safety of women and girls, if I was American I would be proud to vote for him as the alternative is just too scary to think about.

Allie47 · 24/08/2024 18:29

I'm not sure she even WANTS to protect women so whether she CAN or not is a purely academic question tbh.

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 18:30

TheMamaBear · 24/08/2024 18:27

Trump is obviously the best choice if you care about the safety of women and girls, if I was American I would be proud to vote for him as the alternative is just too scary to think about.

I think it says something that I genuinely can’t tell if you’re being serious.

Overtheatlantic · 24/08/2024 20:14

Followyouinto · 24/08/2024 18:12

But she thinks men are women - so how can she protect women when she doesn’t even know what a woman is @Overtheatlantic

She doesn’t think men are women. Good luck trying to reduce her to a one issue category. You can’t successfully do that.

WandsOut · 24/08/2024 20:48

@Overtheatlantic so she doesn't believe transwomen are women?

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WandsOut · 24/08/2024 20:54

Trans ideology is never a single issue - it affects many many aspects of women's lives. It's frustrating that people try and reduce it to a single issue (transphobia) and therefore minimise the long term effects it has on women's healthcare, safety and rights.

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PinkFrogss · 24/08/2024 21:28

Well she can certainly protect them from another Trump presidency

ChewtonRoad · 24/08/2024 21:50

Harris wrote, or allowed her name to be put to a letter written by others, to the odious Dylan M, congratulating him on his time "as a girl", which in my view made her credibility vanish.

Trump and Vance are unhinged, dangerous monsters who are no more capable of the offices they seek than the nearest empty takeaway cup. What must be disappointing to voters is to have to choose between the least offensive of two candidates rather than one who will do something useful.

dottiehens · 25/08/2024 07:57

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 11:49

It’s a binary choice between her and Trump. There is no world in which she could possibly be worse for women than another Trump presidency. Trump is on camera saying that he thinks women who have abortions need to be punished, there’s some truly terrifying stuff for women in the project 2025 plans. JD Vance believes the natural role of the post-menopausal woman is as a carer for grandchildren. They are weird, creepy little misogynists who have no business being anywhere near the levers of power.

That’s leaving aside Trump’s links to Epstein and the fact that he was found liable in court for sexual assault.

I don’t believe anyone could look at Trump and Vance and then decide that Kamala Harris is the riskier choice for women.

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Do people bother to check the facts of posters like this? The weirdness is their interpretation and twisting of things.
It is laughable someone linking Trump to Epstein while being a Democrat. Clinton up to the neck with Epstein and also having BJ by her mistress at the time h was president in the office. So much for the morally superior Democrats.

KH is dangerous and out of her depth. Why people do not question she is not giving interviews or be questioned but choosing to say whoever she choose to put out there? It is beyond believe. As for women she is focusing in the young votes and proper weirdos like her stepdaughter who is pro everything going that is wrong today. I am not talking about abortion btw.

Takoneko · 25/08/2024 08:46

dottiehens · 25/08/2024 07:57

Do people bother to check the facts of posters like this? The weirdness is their interpretation and twisting of things.
It is laughable someone linking Trump to Epstein while being a Democrat. Clinton up to the neck with Epstein and also having BJ by her mistress at the time h was president in the office. So much for the morally superior Democrats.

KH is dangerous and out of her depth. Why people do not question she is not giving interviews or be questioned but choosing to say whoever she choose to put out there? It is beyond believe. As for women she is focusing in the young votes and proper weirdos like her stepdaughter who is pro everything going that is wrong today. I am not talking about abortion btw.

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Again, Clinton is not the democratic nominee.

I think he deserved to be impeached for the Lewinsky thing and was very lucky to be acquitted given he clearly lied to Congress about an abuse of power. Like many other powerful creeps he had links to Epstein. But he is not the Democratic nominee and Trump is the republican one. Luckily for Trump Epstein died in federal prison while Trump was still president.

KH being dangerous is a ridiculous statement when Trump incited an insurrection, used the presidency to enrich himself, cozied up to dictators and leaked classified information to hostile powers.