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Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

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hellotowel · 14/08/2024 22:32

https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

Since the horrific murders in Southport on 29 July, the UK has seen an alarming outbreak of far-right violence, with organised gangs targeting mosques and setting fire to asylum hostels. It is clea…

https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right

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AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 08:51

MessinaBloom · 17/08/2024 08:36

@AlisonDonut

Are you fucking kidding?

I'll try again.

  • Person tweets something inflammatory (let's just agree for the sake of argument that it it was)
  • Some people agree with it, others disagree, some become angry, others tweet back insults/threats
  • Repeat
  • Others in the same ideology wish to distance from this person, so send out an open letter saying they do not agree with person's tweets

Now, if any target is placed on this person, it would be in the first few points, not the last. Is this clearer for you?

Which person is the person listed in the letter with the huge following exactly?

timenowplease · 17/08/2024 08:56

MessinaBloom · 17/08/2024 06:56

How does the letter put a target on the backs of women that wasn't already there from their own doing? For example, someone tweets something racist. That's their decision. It may cause some others to focus on them, though.

This letter is a caution about exactly this type of thing. Do you see the difference?

The question is, did someone tweet something racist??

Because if they didn't, but you're putting out and signing a letter saying you are distancing yourself from violent racists, without giving examples, then you are fomenting hate and violence of your own, and yes, painting a target on someone's back.

As KJK pointed out, that is exactly what happened to her in Australia.

If I write a letter calling out and condemning the paedophile ring who run my local bowling club, hundreds sign it and it gets national attention, what do you think the people will think? That I'm a jealous shit stirrer or that the local bowling club is running a paedophile ring?

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 09:01

To distance yourself from people you don't want to support, stop following them on social media and don't go to their events.

It's really simple.

MessinaBloom · 17/08/2024 09:16

@AlisonDonut

Which person is the person listed in the letter with the huge following exactly?

This is an example. I don't believe there is a person listed in the letter.

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 09:19

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ArabellaScott · 17/08/2024 09:19

I came back to check and am slightly disappointed this latest debacle hasn't even produced any particularly good insults. 'Silly schoolgirls' isn't even mildly upsetting or funny.

Whence the Beelzebubbian Gargoyles of yore?

ArabellaScott · 17/08/2024 09:21

Where are the Shire Wives of Nigel Farage when you need them? Not even a 'hyena'? I see we got a 'frothing', but that barely scrapes the sides tbh.

2/10.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 17/08/2024 09:34

PatatiPatatras · 16/08/2024 20:09

How to put this nicely.

I honestly give 2 shits about what is in other people's minds.

It honestly doesn't matter.
Everyone is allowed their belief. I don't have to take part in it and their belief doesn't mean I have anything to disprove.

No one owes anyone a virtue signal.

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If it doesn't bother you that the people who run the country have adopted an idiotic and harmful ideology, and think that its opponents are literal nazis, then that is, of course, your prerogative.

Why mention virtue signalling? FTAOD I thought that the letter was a bad idea, badly executed.

Cycleorrun · 17/08/2024 09:44

I'm a bit of a lurker on these boards. Most threads are self- explanatory but this one is a bit weird.
What is the definition of 'The Gender Critical Movement'?

ArabellaScott · 17/08/2024 09:48

Oh, don't you have your membership card? Or a flag in your bio? Call the authoriteh!

WandsOut · 17/08/2024 10:13

Cycleorrun · 17/08/2024 09:44

I'm a bit of a lurker on these boards. Most threads are self- explanatory but this one is a bit weird.
What is the definition of 'The Gender Critical Movement'?

There isn't a GC movement. It's just people who believe in material reality.
It's like calling people who know the Earth is round a movement.

PatatiPatatras · 17/08/2024 10:14

theilltemperedclavecinist · 17/08/2024 09:34

If it doesn't bother you that the people who run the country have adopted an idiotic and harmful ideology, and think that its opponents are literal nazis, then that is, of course, your prerogative.

Why mention virtue signalling? FTAOD I thought that the letter was a bad idea, badly executed.

You've got the wrong end of the stick.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 17/08/2024 10:16

The Forstater appeal decision incorporates a definition of 'gender critical', but it is broad enough to cover anyone who is merely sex realist. Including Nazis.

This bothers me because the Nazis were, of course, famously uncritical of prescribed gender norms. All that Kinder, Küche, Kirche. But I am a pedant, and annoy even myself.

Imnobody4 · 17/08/2024 10:40

Jean Hatchet has tweeted Simon Edge asking for her name to be removed.

Hi Simon. I hope this post will be taken in the spirit it is intended. I don’t know who the actual author of the letter ‘GC against the Far Right’ is - it was presented to me as written by yourself and Darren Johnson alone.

https://x.com/JeanHatchet/status/1824729034011353596?t=avPC-PF5Y074jYrhLQodwg&s=19

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https://x.com/JeanHatchet/status/1824729034011353596?s=19&t=avPC-PF5Y074jYrhLQodwg

Trumpetoftheswan2 · 17/08/2024 10:47

I think the appalling violence towards KJK and women attending the rally in Auckland was probably more to do with misogynistic, violent men than what a few women from the UK tweeted tbh.

First rule of misogyny - women are to blame for male violence.

timenowplease · 17/08/2024 10:48

Imnobody4 · 17/08/2024 10:40

Jean Hatchet has tweeted Simon Edge asking for her name to be removed.

Hi Simon. I hope this post will be taken in the spirit it is intended. I don’t know who the actual author of the letter ‘GC against the Far Right’ is - it was presented to me as written by yourself and Darren Johnson alone.

https://x.com/JeanHatchet/status/1824729034011353596?t=avPC-PF5Y074jYrhLQodwg&s=19

So a letter written by two men.

Right on sisters ✊✊

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 17/08/2024 10:49

theilltemperedclavecinist · 17/08/2024 10:16

The Forstater appeal decision incorporates a definition of 'gender critical', but it is broad enough to cover anyone who is merely sex realist. Including Nazis.

This bothers me because the Nazis were, of course, famously uncritical of prescribed gender norms. All that Kinder, Küche, Kirche. But I am a pedant, and annoy even myself.

And accepting of cross dressing.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 17/08/2024 10:50

Trumpetoftheswan2 · 17/08/2024 10:47

I think the appalling violence towards KJK and women attending the rally in Auckland was probably more to do with misogynistic, violent men than what a few women from the UK tweeted tbh.

First rule of misogyny - women are to blame for male violence.

Well yes, but isolating individual women makes them more vulnerable and paints them as fair game for those aggressive men.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 17/08/2024 10:57

*So a letter written by two men.

Right on sisters* ✊✊

🎯

timenowplease · 17/08/2024 11:00

Trumpetoftheswan2 · 17/08/2024 10:47

I think the appalling violence towards KJK and women attending the rally in Auckland was probably more to do with misogynistic, violent men than what a few women from the UK tweeted tbh.

First rule of misogyny - women are to blame for male violence.

I don't agree with this actually. I think the narrative against KJK at that time directly contributed. It was all that was talked about and the reason Moria Deeming was suspended.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 17/08/2024 11:04

I agree there's a degree of opportunistic historical revisionism where NZ and KJK is concerned. I accept no direct correlation between the online rhetoric about her and what happened could ever be proved. But, just like this letter, the responses to that were instructive. Including those who say they're committed to ending all forms of MVAWG but stayed silent.

Shortshriftandlethal · 17/08/2024 11:11

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 09:01

To distance yourself from people you don't want to support, stop following them on social media and don't go to their events.

It's really simple.

It is almost as if some people have to define themselves, almost entirely, by being against an enemy. And this is why there is such polarisation - with both 'ends' displaying a lot of the same traits as each other.

timenowplease · 17/08/2024 11:16

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 17/08/2024 11:04

I agree there's a degree of opportunistic historical revisionism where NZ and KJK is concerned. I accept no direct correlation between the online rhetoric about her and what happened could ever be proved. But, just like this letter, the responses to that were instructive. Including those who say they're committed to ending all forms of MVAWG but stayed silent.

Mainstream media got the idea from somewhere. Twitter got the idea from somewhere.

Given the level of hatred and violence demonstrated by TRAs at protests and online, making nebulous unfounded accusations were fuel to an already roaring fire.

Those accusations of funding from far right groups, fundamental Christian groups etc. were TRA talking points assumed by certain people under the GC umbrella.

timenowplease · 17/08/2024 11:18

I'll give Jean Hatchet credit for withdrawing her signature. I hope more do.

There are a few on that list who've disappointed the shit out of me.

Imnobody4 · 17/08/2024 11:19

The plot is thickening. There seems to be some doubt if Julie Bindel actually signed the letter.
This is text of screenshot , sorry failed miserably at including it.

TiredLeftSoothSa... Follow back @shularises
Many feminists, including JCJ & Julie, have just signed a statement which makes it clear that we want nothing to do that faction of gcs - in practice, this is Let Women Speak supporters - which has descended into outright racism. These aren't small differences, Becky.
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https://x.com/Wayward_sestra/status/1824491557682057667?t=IUvVyTUYtNNBQQwPVqARSg&s=19
@bindelj can you clarify whether the screenshot is speaking for you with your permission or not re working with LWS supporters, please? Here or otherwise is fine.

https://x.com/bindelj/status/1824492063414796446?t=IUvVyTUYtNNBQQwPVqARSg&s=19

Hi Anna, someone is speaking for me without my knowledge or permission

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https://x.com/bindelj/status/1824492063414796446?s=19&t=IUvVyTUYtNNBQQwPVqARSg

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