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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

High Court says ban by government on PBs was legal

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Justme56 · 29/07/2024 11:25

www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/29/puberty-blockers-ban-tory-government-lawful-high-court-rules

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Hoardasurass · 29/07/2024 14:40

PronounssheRa · 29/07/2024 12:18

To summerise. The ban was brought in without expertise or consultation and they frame it as political interference in healthcare.

They don't see Cass as an expert 🙄

On that redit thread they see cass or professor Appleby as experts

High Court says ban by government on PBs was legal
High Court says ban by government on PBs was legal
High Court says ban by government on PBs was legal
fromorbit · 29/07/2024 14:43

PronounssheRa · 29/07/2024 14:11

Tax payers will be covering the government's costs though.

I dread to think how much the GLP has cost the public purse to date.

The full story on this bit of lawfare and the grifting can be found on the Labour Pains blog.

https://labourpainsblog.com/2024/07/23/jolyon-maugham-v-trump-putin-and-er-wes-streeting/

I don't know how much it has cost the taxpayer, but we know how much money GLP has raised so we can guess it has probably cost millions.

GLP has raised over 16 million quid since it started. Almost 500,000 of that on gender cases, but GLP has never won any of those cases.

Good news day what with Lizzy Pitt winning over Cambridge County Council

Jolyon Maugham v Trump, Putin and, er, Wes Streeting

As previously reported on this blog, on 5 June, having already crowdfunded more than £20,000 in May for legal advice on challenging NHS correspondence with parents of trans-identifying yo…

https://labourpainsblog.com/2024/07/23/jolyon-maugham-v-trump-putin-and-er-wes-streeting

SidewaysOtter · 29/07/2024 14:56

lonelywater · 29/07/2024 14:33

At what point does fox beater gain the status of vexatious claimant? Any legal eagles here know?

I think we screamed through that barrier some time ago. High time someone told him to wind his legal neck in, although he's currently off on 40 days in the Judean desert or something.

fromorbit · 29/07/2024 14:59

Legal expert Dr Michael Foran summarizes the implications of the judgement:

https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/1817882527190966295
This is a crushing defeat for TransActual and the Good Law Project.

The Court upholds the standard principles of judicial review that GLP should know - the role of the court is not to make these decisions itself but to assess the lawfulness of it.

The Court was clear that any attempt to smear the Cass Review was unfounded and the Secretary of State is perfectly entitled, not just to rely on it, but to treat it as the best available evidence.
Assertions as to a rise in suicide risk were dismissed as unfounded and the Court accepted that the Secretary of State was entitled to rely on the Cass review in making an emergency Order.
Finally it should be stressed that the court applied a heightened scrutiny here. It said that given what is at stake, it should be more searching in its assessment of the reasons for making the Order. It still found the decision to be lawful.

x.com

https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/1817882527190966295

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 29/07/2024 15:45

RoyalCorgi · 29/07/2024 14:35

Two cheers for the BBC, which has actually reported the story:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3gz99nwo

But of course they haven't bothered to interview anyone who is pleased at the ruling (apart from Wes Streeting), just quoted at length from the lunatic TransActual and the Good Law Project.

How much longer can the BBC maintain their fiction of rigorous impartiality on all matters?

Topofthemountain · 29/07/2024 16:25

Justme56 · 29/07/2024 14:07

I didn’t realise that Helen Belcher and Jane Fae were involved in TransActual.

That actually comes as no surprise. It all makes sense. (Well in the upside down world that we now live in)

BonfireLady · 29/07/2024 17:46

RoyalCorgi · 29/07/2024 14:35

Two cheers for the BBC, which has actually reported the story:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3gz99nwo

But of course they haven't bothered to interview anyone who is pleased at the ruling (apart from Wes Streeting), just quoted at length from the lunatic TransActual and the Good Law Project.

I'll give them 0.1 of an additional cheer because someone at the BBC clearly noticed that they had gone a step too far... and reeled it in a bit.

Several people on X are pointing out that they had put in an appalling quote that went completely unchallenged. This quote has now been removed. Here's a link to Transgender Trend's tweet:

https://x.com/Transgendertrd/status/1817924923530064033?t=2EkafnXJJq1c5lajB1lorQ&s=19

Perhaps they are realising that their impartiality issue is a bit too obvious?! Obviously it's still there by omission. They have barely mentioned Cass in anything, let alone explored what it really is and why it's so important to focus on the evidence-based care that she is calling for.

For anyone not on X, here's the original BBC article with the quote included (penultimate paragraph):

https://archive.is/EqFpM

x.com

https://x.com/Transgendertrd/status/1817924923530064033?s=19&t=2EkafnXJJq1c5lajB1lorQ

Rummly · 29/07/2024 17:47

BonfireLady · 29/07/2024 17:46

I'll give them 0.1 of an additional cheer because someone at the BBC clearly noticed that they had gone a step too far... and reeled it in a bit.

Several people on X are pointing out that they had put in an appalling quote that went completely unchallenged. This quote has now been removed. Here's a link to Transgender Trend's tweet:

https://x.com/Transgendertrd/status/1817924923530064033?t=2EkafnXJJq1c5lajB1lorQ&s=19

Perhaps they are realising that their impartiality issue is a bit too obvious?! Obviously it's still there by omission. They have barely mentioned Cass in anything, let alone explored what it really is and why it's so important to focus on the evidence-based care that she is calling for.

For anyone not on X, here's the original BBC article with the quote included (penultimate paragraph):

https://archive.is/EqFpM

Very good work. Thank you.

borntobequiet · 29/07/2024 18:48

Though I shouldn’t be, I’m actually quite shocked at that quote in the original BBC article.

Slothtoes · 29/07/2024 18:50

Great news, and a great government response unequivocal from Wes Streeting. What a relief.

borntobequiet · 29/07/2024 18:51

Actually the updated one is little better. I’ll complain (again).

fromorbit · 30/07/2024 07:18

Important Labour confirms ban on overseas prescriptions:

In support of the ban on overseas prescriptions – which was upheld by a high court judge today following a legal challenge – Ms Smyth said it would not be practical to expect UK pharmacists to police the issue, commenting: “It is simply not possible for pharmacists to check whether prescriptions issued from overseas registered prescribers have been issued in a similarly safe and effective way.
“We know that some overseas providers who advertise their services do not follow this approach.”

https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/nhs-and-health-news/labour-simply-not-possible-for-pharmacists-to-police-puberty-blocker-prescriptions

Labour: ‘Simply not possible’ for pharmacists to police puberty blocker prescriptions

Health minister defends Labour decision to uphold ban enforced by former government

https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/nhs-and-health-news/labour-simply-not-possible-for-pharmacists-to-police-puberty-blocker-prescriptions

Signalbox · 30/07/2024 18:20

Imnobody4 · 30/07/2024 18:14

Peter Tatchell's take. He's just going through the motions.

Honestly, does Peter even believe what Peter says?

TWETMIRF · 30/07/2024 19:58

Peter friend of paedophiles Tatchell? Surely we're all grateful for his knowledgeable contributions.

UtopiaPlanitia · 31/07/2024 01:06

Tatchell’s arguments honestly come across as rehashes of things he’s read from randoms on Twitter 🤷‍♀️

I also wish interviewers knew more about the Cass Review and the subject in general and could address the nonsense in a more knowledgeable way.

BlackeyedSusan · 31/07/2024 09:20

Justwrong68 · 29/07/2024 13:31

Imagine coming out for sterilising children

Especially autistic children...

They claim to support trans children...funny way of doing it by experimenting on them with drugs known to have lifelong effects.

WickedSerious · 31/07/2024 13:20

Peter Tatchell in favour of puberty blockers for children?

Goodness me.

Who didn't see that coming?

unsociablemedia · 31/07/2024 13:26

ErebusTheBearerOfTheWord · 29/07/2024 13:40

You can't discuss anything on Reddit, it's an echo chamber where only people who's opinions line up rise to the top of the discussion.

It's a genuine regressive circlejerk where no new ideas or discussions ever happen.

And they ban anyone who dissents from the trans ideological belief.

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