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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A pronoun conundrum

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Daffydaff · 29/07/2024 05:14

My husband has joined an American football league for LGBT+ & allies (he just wanted to join a sports club, to be honest, the LGBT bit wasn't sought out). On the welcome form it's asking him for his preferred pronouns, with an asterisk so he has to write something.

I just rolled my eyes so hard at this that I gave myself a headache - as I said to him, making it mandatory to insert these 'preferred pronouns' is like asking what your religion is but not giving any option for atheist.

Now, he knows my strong opinions on gender identity, and although he generally gets it, I don't think he's particularly bothered by putting he/him, as he's new to the league and doesn't want to rock the boat. And fair enough - I don't want to make him a guinea pig.

FWIW it isn't a drop down box so he could just write 'prefer not to say', and I know in the grand scheme of things this is pretty inconsequential, but my anger towards all this bollocks is increasing daily so I wanted some perspective / to hear others thoughts / to vent about the inanity of preferred pronouns.

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Snowypeaks · 31/07/2024 11:04

Circumferences · 31/07/2024 10:45

Why is a straight person joining an LGBTQ+ club in the first place? Surely there are other clubs.
Isn't he encroaching on a safe space??

It's for LGBTQ+ "and allies". So some of the allies might be straight.
Plus trans people are straight.

This is the only club in the area for this sport.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 11:38

I find it sad that I can no longer consider myself to be an "LGBTQ+ ally". I'd like to be, but not if it's incompatible with women's rights and child safeguarding, which apparently it now is.

Daffydaff · 31/07/2024 21:05

Circumferences · 31/07/2024 10:45

Why is a straight person joining an LGBTQ+ club in the first place? Surely there are other clubs.
Isn't he encroaching on a safe space??

It's for allies as well. Of which I think most of us would have considered ourselves to be at one point, before we became persona non grata based on our beliefs.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom I agree. I belong(ed)* to quite a subversive community once upon a time, fighting fiercely for the rights of people to be weird and express themselves, partying and hanging out with plenty of trans or gender-exploring people. All of them would have counted me as an ally, because at the time there wasn't (to my 'be kind' mind) the aggressive and misogynistic push to suspend reality. Indeed, had this been on my consciousness at the time (about 10 years back) I think I'd have gone along with the whole non binary bollocks - before my brain became critically engaged and then I found FWR on Mumsnet 🙏

*I use past tense because of children and 'life' but I am still friends with most of my old crowd. I just don't bring the subject up, so no idea if anyone even thinks as I do. That makes me sad.

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