Church of England draft guidance for teachers to challenge 'outdated terms' around biological sex

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Guidance set to be issued to thousands of schools states that a transgender man is someone 'who was assigned female at birth but identifies and lives as a man', and a transgender woman 'was assigned male at birth but identifies and lives as a woman'.

The statements are in the document Flourishing For All, which is backed by Justin Welby, Archbishop of Canterbury, and tells teachers to challenge 'outdated terms'.

About a million children attend 4,630 Anglican schools.

Full article at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13631711/Church-England-issue-advice-telling-teachers-challenge-outdated-terms-biological-sex.html

Link to pdf file of draft guidance (for consultation?) https://www.churchofengland.org/sites/default/files/2024-07/flourishing-for-all-final-for-consultation-july-2024_3.pdf

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality

Please do. Parents are far more powerful than they realise. To date it's been transactivists who've been allowed to dominate - including shamefully in relation to children and it's long overdue for the schools who've bought into this nonsense to be challenged..

This is only a draft (and I suspect unlikely to be implemented given the hold transactivists have over some in the labour party). It's not a perfect policy document by any stretch but it does centre safeguarding, children's rights and needs. But it's useful to contrast with the C of E's adult transactivist centred "guidelines".

https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf

I will in September. I feel awkward to terf out with new parents who I don't really know but there must be a fair few who feel the same way.

Thank you that guidance is useful & I can forward to the head. Is there anything from DoE on transgenderism not advised in sex education?

I see the CoEs consultation was funded by Stonewall so of course it would never back down from this aspect.

Having spoken to a few parishioners in the past I know that many just divorce themselves from all the political stuff and just focus on their church & own worship, even though they strongly agree with me.

No, nothing! However, the majority of our pupils are actually Muslim as is our Headteacher. They wouldnt stand for it either.

There's been a consultation about Sex Ed (SRE) following all the complaints from parents about some schools buying in porn soaked SRE materials from organisations who shouldn't be anywhere near children. Given the change of government I'm not sure how labour will respond.
They do seem to have finally grown up with Streeting and Starmer making responsible comments about safeguarding and puberty blockers. But as we know, trans extremists have been very powerful in labour so to what extent they'll continue down the responsible adult line, who knows.

I see the CoEs consultation was funded by Stonewall so of course it would never back down from this aspect

Is that "legitimate" - I mean accepting a consultation funded by a group with a vested interest?

Certainly a very vested if not fixed interest in achieving a very particular outcome.

Ffs. That renders the whole thing absolutely ludicrous and invalid all by itself.

Who Is analysing the results? Will it be like that City of London survey of the Hampstead Ponds where all the ‘wrong’ answers were discarded?

Bet Stonewall have taken on that task for themselves!

I've just started reading through this and answering the consultation and am already enraged. The questions for the consultation are really poor, so I'm just writing all the things I can think of that are useless. Honestly. They need a proper theological reflection on promoting a positive non bullying culture in schools and guidance about how that can be achieved. Bullies bully because they can and because they can find a point of difference in another child. So that's what needs tackling - promoting set ups in schools that contibute to the minimisation of opportunities to pick on others and an expectation of kindness and curiosity across difference.

Compare the wailing of oh Cass didn't include that data (despite her careful explanations in very small words, repeated very slowly, that this is a misconception) so it's invalid and unethical!

With the whole let's do a very heavily biased, controlled piece of batshit consultation that we'll then cherry pick the right bits of to claim it proves whatever we set out to make it prove.

It's like playing snakes and ladders with a three year old who'll cry if you don't let them cheat all over the board and win constantly. These are the ethics and social capabilities of toddlers.

Hmmm, records being falsified, what does that remind us of? I hope people complained and got it corrected, OP. But as deliberately falsifying birth certificates and passports is now legal, it’s not surprising truth comes to be considered irrelevant.

I saw someone on the children of transitioners twitter today commented about CoTs at school saying
'Your work helped us understand that how children in captured schools are unable to express their distress over a parent who is claiming to be the opposite sex. It's another source of trauma. School based child abuse driven by transactivism'.

If stoaklyL is a mumsnetter, thanks for recognising what is happening to Cots in schools.

And the CofE, funded by Stonewall, encourages it. Yes@KielderWater it's children who can't pretend to believe sex and gender lies that are more likely to get bullied now, including CSA survivors, Cots and anyone who recognises reality about sex, including some Christians.

Hope the minutes were corrected!
www.lbc.co.uk/news/girl-18-driven-out-of-school-for-questioning-transgender-ideology/

MrsFuckerFromLittleWhinging · 25/07/2024 20:03

Let’s put it this way. If William Hill would take my money, I’d bet on a trans bishop before a women bishop.

You'd be wasting your money!

https://womenandthechurch.org/news/why-only-1-diocesan-bishop-in-the-last-10-appointments-in-the-church-of-england-has-been-a-woman-2/#:~:text=The%20Church%20of%20England%20will,eligible%20as%20bishops%20in%202015.

Congratulations to Bishop Debbie Sellin, whose appointment as the next Bishop of Peterborough was announced today, and prayers for a fruitful ministry. The Church of England will now have 7 female Diocesan Bishops out of a total of 42 Diocesan Bishops and will have made 8 appointments of women as Diocesan Bishops out of the 29 appointments made since women became eligible as bishops in 2015.

Yes the hypocrisy from both religions is mindbendingly twisted.
The men of Christianity after centuries of undermining our rights now cant identify us and the men of Islamism acknowledge us as women but would keep us enslaved and hidden from sight.
I vote for Wicca but without the dodgy Druids.

Welby was appointed as Arch[pillock of Cunterbury with the expressed task of destroying the CofE.
Sadly he is succeeding in that task.

Tragically the Roman Catholic Church is going the same way as the CofE.
Perhaps, as many others are doing, a move to Eastern Orthodox?

He should be on his way out though. You're not really meant to do more than 10 years.

Rowan Williams did 9 years or so.

Welby has been in the post for 12 years. Its high time he stood down.

Would have been better had he not been appointed.

Breaking a few commandments there..

Worshipping another god (stonewall)
Bearing false witness.
Coveting your neighbours house (the body being the house of the soul).

In case anyone else is wondering why a document called "Flourishing for All" and purporting to be about anti bullying for all talks almost exclusively about LGBTQ issues, it appears to be the first document in a suite of documents to be published that more or less tackle equality act areas.

I am disappointed that they haven't explored the idea of intersectionality more fully. A socially confident and competent child presenting as the opposite sex (like teen Jazz Jennings) is much more likely to be somewhat of a minor celebrity in school. It's kids who, as well as presenting as "trans", are also socially awkward, depressed and autistic who are likely to be bullied, in large part because of their intersectional differences.

I take some hope from this. Given that the COE is always at least 10 years out of date, choosing now to jump on this bandwagon is proof positive that it's fucked.

I think it's a shame to see the church diminishing, because for many people it gave a sense of community.

My childhood church looked after our elderly, lonely, sick and bereaved like an extended family. Children grew up in that family in a mix of ages, incomes, ethnic backgrounds. It was one of the first churches to ordain women. We rotated worship with other traditions through 'churches together'.

Losing that makes society poorer.

Stonewall is doing more harm than good now.

I absolutely agree.