Women's World Matchplay Darts

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The "Women's" World Matchplay takes place today, live on Sky Sports from 13:00.

At 13:30, Mikuru Suzuki faces a man, Noa-Lynn van Leuven.

The Independent have prepared for it by printing this pathetic woe-is-me puff piece about him.

inews.co.uk/sport/transgender-darts-star-noa-lynn-van-leuven-bullied-tournament-3180489

The average woman in the UK is 5ft 3

I mean I know internet reception is intermittent inside that tricky wardrobe you keep trapping yourself in due to your unsuitability to be left by yourself but Google is your friend here lovey

and if you’re talking bollocks about that, I wonder what else you’re talking bollocks about? 🤔

Well, about judging health by appearance, and making facile assumptions about sporting prowess and male advantage.

https://www.espn.co.uk/darts/story//id/12126904/why-darts-players-phil-taylor-perfect-athletes

Excerpts:

"This action of minimal movement requires very precise balance and very great control. Such things are made possible by body-shape, by the rock-solid base on which the movement takes place. [Dutch darts player] Raymond van Barneveld, another ex-champion, looks as if you could mount a siege-gun on his and he'd absorb the recoil...

In the same way, darts players tend towards their own specific shape: big shoulders, powerful frame, and yes, frank counterweight bellies. [Darts player] Taylor won the world championship eight times in a row; in 2003, he lost three stone and with them the championship. It was suggested that this change in body-shape had affected his balance."

There are no men's and women's classifications in PDC darts - only open and women's.

To play open PDC you need a tour card which is earnt through merit.

Noa-Lynn is not good enough currently for a tour card so has decided that they can invade the women's game.

There are lots of other open opportunities for non tour card holders including the Modus and PDC arranged invitational challenge and development tours.

The PDC woman's tour is a bit of an anomaly as you don't need a tour card and there are very few events- most events are on the amateur circuit.

Noa-Lynn has played and won a challenge tour and also did well in a recent open Modus event. Note they weren't invited to the women only event.

For whatever reason they did not play to their usual standard yesterday as they would have been expected to at least beat Mikuru.

As there are so many different ways they can play, they should utilise those and not play in a woman's event which were set up for those with XX chromosomes to gain experience of big stage competition with an actual decent prize as those opportunities are far and few between.

They should respect what the events were designed for and play any of the other events above but also ADC, County or any of the many WDF events for men.

Interesting about the physical advantage men have, but irrelevant actually.
It's the Women's World Matchplay Darts. The clue's in the f-ing title.

Agree.

"If strength, resting heart rate and muscle type is a factor in darts why is it a sport dominated by fat middle aged generally unhealthy men?"

Because even, to use your own words, fat middle-aged generally unhealthy men have the physical attributes and have honed their skills so that their own lack of fitness doesn't mean they lose competitiveness against other male people.

However, even a male in the bottom quartiles for grip strength for example will have a strength that is higher than most female people. I believe I read something like higher than 90% of female people. Hence it is only an absolutely exceptional female that will have higher strength in grip than the weakest group of male people.

You don't seem to understand the degree of differences here.

So, do you laidbackguy understand then a mediocre male person is being rewarded for being mediocre compared to the best male competitor by competing in the female category? That just because you don't understand that the chances of that male beating an elite level female competitor makes this undoubtedly unfair competition. This is not an elite level male competitor taking the place of an elite level female competitor. It is also a male person who has deliberately limited their performance level through their own decisions.

It also comes down to category boundaries being ignored to allow someone from outside a protected category to compete. What other category would you be happy to have ignored because someone 'identified' into that category?

Should a sighted person compete with visually impaired athletes if they identify as partially blind?

Should a 25 year old compete in the under 14’s if they identify as a child?

Should a 25 year old compete in the over 85 year old Masters category if they identify as 86 years old?

Should a professional athlete compete as a novice?

Nothing to worry about, those who identify into those categories don't have any advantages in your opinion.

All because why, laidbackguy? Because people such as yourself don't understand the physical advantage of males and are prepared to ignore those male physical advantages and the discrimination that have prevented female competitors from achieving their full potential as well?

This.
It's the Women's competition. At some stage Darts decided that it was the right thing to have a Women's competition. That's all you need. It's for women, not men.

This tedious wrangling trying to persuade women that if something's got the word women or girls in it it must really be for men and boys as well because ... strength, muscles, sad men, entitled men, boring men and all the other endless arguments.

NO. A million times NO.

Women's sport is for women and women are entitled to associate with women if we choose. It's so fucking tedious all this.

"It is also a male person who has deliberately limited their performance level through their own decisions."

Also Laidbackguy, can you tell us what other group who choose to limit their own performance through medical treatment should be rewarded with being allowed into a protected category of their choice?

How about any male who has lost their testicles and decide to not supplement their testosterone? should they be allowed to compete as a female person too? Even if they do not say the words 'I am a woman'?

I agree with those who say' 'physical advantage' (which will always be queried, see this thread for examples) isn't really the point. Whether darts, pool, or, indeed, chess or tiddly-winks, women's competitions are for women only. Many sports treat the 'mens' comps as effectively 'open'; women are free to enter if they're good enough. This is absolutely fine, and generally works well, particularly for sports like pool, where the advantage is much less, and the best women can, and do, sometimes beat the best men. But not regularly.