Likely impact of "adult human female" pin in NHS

[MamaLlama123]

im a nurse and a colleagues and many students wear their pronoun badges

With wearing an adult human female badge, how would you imagine this would go down?

would most people be unaware of the meaning?
would i have complaints

i'm a registered nurse

I think you’d probably end up being sacked, the NHS is completely captured

Sadly, I think this will give you a huge headache... Unless you have a significant number of colleagues who will do the same

Crazy idea I know but if a man can identify as a woman and wear a badge saying so then surely you can identify as a adult human female and wear a badge saying that?

i'm also a midwife and heard that my job title may be changed to "perinatal practitioner"!

through my job, i'm convinced in the reality of female biology that only women can be pregnant/ birth babies

and i feel very offended about the way things are going.. as a midwife, mother, sister, daughter, wife! especially been forced to deny biological objective reality in my use of my language

it feels important to me to take a stand but obviously i don't want to be sacked!

You'd be my hero if I saw you wearing it in work!

I work in the NHS and sadly I would be too scared for fear of backlash.

If I saw you wearing it though, I'd be very impressed!

I'm fully GC, but I don't think this is wise.

It is true that pronoun badges are equally problematic - but like religion they are a currently accepted symbol of ideology that would not be challenged.

I know you have the right to your own belief (and disbelief of gender ideology) and all you're doing is wearing a symbol of this, but....

it will cause trouble - gender ideologues WILL report you and although you could defend yourself, if might be escalated.

Yes you might win in a tribunal, depending on what the uniform policy is on symbols of religion/belief being worn, (because it would be discriminatory to allow symbols of one religion but not another) but do you really want to go through that - and can you afford to?

I am all for courage, but are you really up for this?

It would obviously go down very badly, not just in the NHS but in most workplaces. I do feel especially in the NHS, where as clinical staff you are treating whoever walks through the door, whether you approve of them or not, this would be entirely wrong. I feel the similarly about the rainbow lanyards, which many NHS staff wear (although they are at least trying to be positive). Surely there are many people you treat whose views are different to your own, and many more whose lifestyle choices (alcoholics, for example) you entirely disapprove of? I don't think any of that should come into your professional identity when dealing with patients. We don't need allies in the NHS, we need professionals. And I am gender critical by the way, not that it matters.

I don't think the Nhs (or any workplace) is a place for pins or lanyards or anything else. Better to make the argument for getting rid of the rainbows (and a return to sex-based language by illustrating harms of ideological language) then fighting pin with pin. Just my tuppence - if you do do it, please tell us if you get a reaction!

How ridiculous!
Wonder if the (also captured) bbc will change the title of Call the Midwife? Call the Perinatal Practitioner doesn’t have quite the same ring!

Ah, cross post!

Oh fgs, I x-posted with @ColouringPencils not myself. I wish we could delete our own posts.

Those of you who don't think pins or lanyards are okay - are you happy with outward symbols of religion or religious dress?

Why the difference between that and other beliefs that are sincerely held?

Haha, yes I crossed with you and agree @VotingNotGloating

I agree with this, I think there should be no political symbols rather than a battle between them all.

I was under the impression that the NHS had been told to stop with all the "pregnant people" and "chest feeding" shite

I think you'd be inviting a world of trouble. I think that pronoun badges are an expression of a desire to be identified in some way. An adult human female badge is a more political statement. I don't think (as an ex nurse) that health professionals should reveal their political or personal views. There is a power imbalance and I think it's important to present a neutral stance.

i just can't understand why these students can wear a badge which expresses a lie

whilst my badge would just state an objective fact. A fact that all human beings throughout history have held until recently

What about one of these instead?

www.jessdewahls.com/jewellery-lapel-pins/bso-lapel-pin

Big swinging ovaries by Jess de Wahls

I'm an NHS podiatrist. Id be sacked right away. Im in enough trouble for refusing to put my pronouns on my email.

While I don't believe in the gender stuff, I'd like clinicians to be banned from any political expressions even ones I agree with. Patients don't need that noise when we're at our most vulnerable.

It concerns me hugely that medical organisations don't understand the need to stick to proper biology.

Madness.

Good luck!

It's not a political statement, it's a belief.

The same as religious belief. A sincerely held belief that influences the way you live your life.

Why is one acceptable and the other not? Those who have religious beliefs are permitted to make some clinical decisions because of those beliefs, which I do not think is right (pharmacists refusing to give out MAP or contraception, staff refusing to participate in abortion care for women who had made that decision)

The Equality act's protected characteristic is religion or belief - and yet it's clear the two are treated differently

Totally agree with @OptimismvsRealism - at a vulnerable time, patients do not need to be asked to give a shit about your views on anything, and should be treated equally regardless of your views.

@user1471538275 I think it is different to religious symbols, which are worn as a matter of course, including to work. This is wearing something specifically to work to make a political statement.

Yes fine I don't care about your beliefs either. I don't want everyone having a culture war over my prone body as I breathe my last thanks!