Likely impact of "adult human female" pin in NHS

[MamaLlama123]

im a nurse and a colleagues and many students wear their pronoun badges

With wearing an adult human female badge, how would you imagine this would go down?

would most people be unaware of the meaning?
would i have complaints

i'm a registered nurse

"they're bleeding out from their FRONT HOLE"

"NO IT'S A VAGINA!"

dies

Dont do it. Its not worth it. I work in the same area and have the bag and i use it everyday for my lunch etc I think that is as far as I dare go.

I wouldn’t wear it, my nhs name badge has my first name and job title. As a patient I think all that person needs to know is that you are legitimate, your name and what it is you do. Why do the patients / carers need any other info than your name?

I think that level of information is personal to the individual - and that the name you choose to use at work is sufficient.

I like this one
www.letwomenspeak.org/terf-island-enamel-pin

You know what vulnerable patients don't need.

Uncertainty as to the sex of the person treating them, particularly if this would be problematic for them

To be forced to address a health care professional in a way that is confusing to what they can see - in essence to be forced to participate in someone else's belief system or fantasy.

A badge stating biological fact in a hospital shouldn't be a bigger issue than the above - but somehow it is.

@ColouringPencils Why is religious belief different - they are together in the Equality act as protected characteristics?

I really admire your nerve in considering this OP and it's something I probably would have done in my youth and Iiving at home. But that's because I'd have had full support from my parents to take things as far as a tribunal. Now I've a family of my own and responsibilities there is no way I'd risk this. Can you support the movement in other ways?

I have respect for you op but I wish there were no badges. The nhs are supposed to be neutral.

This is a very good point!

Saying that only women give birth isn't a belief, like believing God exists, it's a proven fact. Are facts really having to be expressed as 'beliefs' in the NHS these days?!

I'm afraid that the trajectory of all this madness is that the Adult Human Female slogan will lose all relevance soon as TRAs adopt that as including trans women as well as women, and there being no legal distinction at all between a man who calls himself a woman and an actual woman.

I agree. Surely we can all just be? Wear it or don't because we all have a voice.

I agree.

No flags, no badges, no symbols are appropriate in the workplace. Things like headscarves and turbans can be accommodated without fuss; that shouldn't extend to political symbols.

There are loads of other ways to make a difference, OP. And yes, I know rainbow lanyards are everywhere. Two wrongs don't make a right, though.

I wouldn't wear one (although I am tempted).

However I refuse to wear a name badge with pronouns or put them in my email signature.

I also take the gender bollocks out of our electronic record system when it is blatantly a pile of shit (one month olds do not have a gender identity) and when i look after kids who do have gender dysphoria I make sure the electronic record is accurate ie. birth sex remains accurate and where I've found discrepancies I've reported it as a patient safety issue. My concern is that inaccurate recording of birth sex could lead to people being erroneously excluded from sex based screening ie. prostate/ cervical in the future and cause harm.

Anecdotally I've heard of a missed ovarian torsion in an adult. The patient presented as male so it wasn't considered as a differential diagnosis and was discovered at laparoscopy when the surgical team were anticipating appendicitis.

There was also the issue of pre-operative pregnancy testing. In australia a pregnancy was missed in a trans identified male (don't really understand how that happened as the person concerned was having gender affirmation surgery so they knew they were female and most hospitals do a mandatory urinary pregnancy test prior to GA) whereas my concern is that when the person presents as male the team forget that they can still have a functioning female reproductive system. US data says risk of teen pregnancy is actually higher in trans identified females when compared with the non-trans population. Probably lots of reasons for that.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12387829/Female-male-patient-loses-baby-hysterectomy-Royal-Womens-Hospital-Melbourne-didnt-know-pregnant.html

I have asked whether we are going to develop local policy about managing children presenting for care who have a gender identity that is incongruent with their birth sex in the light of the Cass report saying affirmation is not a neutral act.

I've not had a response yet.

I admire your Spirit, MamaLlama123, but I suspect that you'd bring a world of shit down on yourself. I also agree with the posters saying that no medics should be wearing political, or religious symbols at work.

"I think you'd be inviting a world of trouble. I think that pronoun badges are an expression of a desire to be identified in some way. An adult human female badge is a more political statement"

So "she/her" on a badge are ok, but "female" isn't? We are in fucked up times.

Laloba - it's writing quickly. I'm sorry for not wording better

i'm not illiterate

You are 100% correct op.

I’d think it inappropriate to wear at work. You need to put your patients needs first.

The issue is that by wearing an adult human female badge you are overtly making a statement that you are gender critical. It isn’t just a statement that you are female (which everyone can see anyway). In an organisation like the NHS this will be seen as hostile.

I fully appreciate it’s protected.

If it was mandatory everyone had to put their pronouns or whatever label people have to use these days yes I would put it

If it was people's choice to put them or not I would not put any as I think the whole this is ridiculous personally but I don't care what others do

As a patient, I don't care what the treating person identifies as or calls themselves, as long as they give me the care I need.

I don't think this sort of thing belongs in the workplace. I also don't think you should be compelled to wear something like a pronoun pin, but these battles just aren't relevant to me, the patient, at my moment of need.

As an aside @MamaLlama123, if you have Facebook, check out this fantastic post by IMUK quoting Milli hill!

The usual bullies turned up but so did hundreds of women to support her! Comments are a joy!

www.facebook.com/share/p/2KqouSAZzKaSrEu8/?

For me the absence of pronouns speaks volumes- It doesn't matter if the individual simply hasn't been EDI'd yet it is an overt terf; it removes that political barrier that shouldn't be in healthcare.

The words and language hcps use tells me all I need to know too.