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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Council worker sacked over pronouns

134 replies

mcduffy · 17/07/2024 18:48

Can't do a share token as telegraph

The worker has lost a tribunal

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/17/gender-critical-council-employee-sacked-over-pronouns

A “gender critical” council worker was sacked after protesting the use of pronouns on his email signaturee_.
James Orwin was left furious when Caroline Lacey, the council’s chief executive, invited employees to “consider adding pronouns to your email signaturee_, should you wish to do so”.
In “protest”, Mr Orwin, an IT project officer, changed his email footer to “XYchromosomeGuy/AdultHumanMale” rather than he/himm_.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/07/2024 17:16

They didn't compel him to give his pronouns, apparently they said it was optional. I think he would have a better case if they had. I don't think sacking was appropriate though, and maybe a better lawyer would have been able to make that case.

lcakethereforeIam · 22/07/2024 10:21

There is a relatively short YouTube about this from Talk TV with a spokee from FSU

I completely agree that the pronouns thing is a test/trap most of the time. Also sobering how many cases there are above the ones that make the headlines.

“Completely Bizarre” | Council Worker Sacked After Writing ‘Adult Human Male’ In Email

An East Riding of Yorkshire council worker, James Orwin, was fired after protesting against the use of pronouns in his email signature.He objected to council...

https://youtu.be/zUue3OTgCPs?si=NJx83fM6UmXr3_ez

quantumbutterfly · 22/07/2024 10:48

Fucking pronouns 🙄

LlynTegid · 22/07/2024 10:51

I'm with the council on this one. If no pronouns were declared (as is the case on my email signature), I would be supportive.

quantumbutterfly · 22/07/2024 10:59

I'm with the free speech union.

SquirrelSoShiny · 22/07/2024 21:55

Datun · 18/07/2024 10:30

Same here.

It's remarkable that people are calling it provocative.

It's bloody provocative suggesting that employees might want to signal their compliance to an ideology that is offensive, dangerous to women, and damages children.

The Forstarter judgement protected lack of belief in gender ideology, too. Which his choice of 'pronouns' was.

This was clearly not about pronouns. It's about agreement to an ideology. Pronouns are just shorthand to signal agreement.

His employer should have withdrawn the statement suggesting people could use pronouns. You don't suggest people adhere to an ideology that many people consider batshit and dangerous, in the workplace.

He may not have been clever enough to win his tribunal. But I bet if he appeals and gets a lawyer, he will. Anyone could make mincemeat out of what those pronouns represent.

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All of this.

Jeeeez · 06/11/2024 19:32

Legal Feminists have said they'll talk to James if he wants to.

Does anyone know how/where to contact him?

Villagetoraiseachild · 12/11/2024 18:58

He's just been on GB news and been stung with having to pay the council's costs on this.
He has set up a Go Fund me page and has taken early (I think enforced )retirement.
I can't find that page, unfortunately. Might not be posted yet.
He has my sympathies and I hope he gets full recompense.

Jeeeez · 12/11/2024 22:13

Thanks. I've actually found him and been in contact.
I think he's on gofundme.

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