Council worker sacked over pronouns

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The worker has lost a tribunal

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/17/gender-critical-council-employee-sacked-over-pronouns

A “gender critical” council worker was sacked after protesting the use of pronouns on his email signaturee_.
James Orwin was left furious when Caroline Lacey, the council’s chief executive, invited employees to “consider adding pronouns to your email signaturee_, should you wish to do so”.
In “protest”, Mr Orwin, an IT project officer, changed his email footer to “XYchromosomeGuy/AdultHumanMale” rather than he/himm_.

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Can't read properly as it's a paywall but I assume it's because he was arsey about it, not that he didn't want to display any pronouns

i get so frustrated with this kind of reporting

a council worker was asked to put pronouns in their signature, and rather than just not doing it he used it to put something there that was obviously confrontational

This would have no issues, except that he works for the council which should be a resource available to all without barrier/prejudice. He very obviously has not adhered to the expectations set out in council jobs country wide

basically, he’s been sacked for being an arse

The truth is now an arsey threat to special people.

Noone likes a troublemaking smart arse.

Who is Noone and why do they like a troublemaking smart arse?

But why doesn't he get to choose those as his pronouns? If other people get to choose how people refer to them, why doesn't he?

😂

This is where we are.

A made up ideology which means people can put made up words as pronouns like zir. And doing so indicates support for this made up ideology. But someone who disagrees can't put their version instead.

Which, incidentally, isn't made up.

Stating you're an adult human male is the truth. Stating you're neither male nor female, or the opposite sex, isn't.

But we're so far down the rabbit hole, it's considered arsey.

Correct

He stated the truth as his pronoun, im on his side,even being arsey he shouldn't have been sacked.

I would like the option of XX or XY

be good as a title instead of Mrs, Miss or Ms

XX Rafone would be my choice

without being arse y

Exactly, they were asked to choose their pronouns, he chose his?
Hope he appeals!

Can I ask what these mean please?

Madness isn't it, coming from a lesbian!

He was given the option to choose his pronouns to go on his email signature (ludicrous though that even is) He was not required to include them. I think if he had been required to include pronouns he’d have probably had a stronger case

which is why the judge said

Dismissing his claims of discrimination, he said: “None of the treatment he experienced was because of his beliefs or expression of beliefs. The treatment – all arising from hi’s refusal to remove the email signature – was because he used a provocative email sign off that was not acceptable to [the council].”

I see

He was given the choice and he accepted. Why should he remove them if they didn't like what he chose?

Is his nonsense any more or less worthy than theirs?

james is becoming popular as a girls name

Another celebrity has named their daughter James | Elle Canada

It is all so Jonathan Swiftian.

😂

Sounds like he was sacked for being ab arse not because of pronouns.

I understand from a comment on Twix that he represented himself.

If he does want to go for appeal, I hope he consults a good lawyer who can assess the likelihood of success.

There might be a case to be made to say that the request even being made put him in a difficult position and that being allowed to have pronouns vs being allowed to have nothing is not a reasonable position and therefore, that if pronouns are to be allowed and indeed encouraged, that reasonable protest should also be allowed.

I don’t like these cases that are being brought (mostly by men, it appears) where someone has done something that even many of us would regard as provacative. Without representation, it is impossible to say whether they might have won if their case had been presented differently. It may also be that any decent lawyer would have advised them not to go ahead.

As it stands, it adds to the transactivists’ claims that misgendering and other such activities are outlawed/illegal. That’s a claim they have been making since Forstater and unfortunately, it has not been properly examined in a court case.

The case of a polite women, who has misgendered for good reasons or used pronouns in signature as an objection, but carefully staying professional (arguably XYGuy or whatever he wrote sounds tongue in cheek to me) brought by a good legal representative would be a much better test case.

Which isn't a sackable offence!

It's insane! Stop the world, I want to get off! Sacked for writing something blindingly obvious!

How much n earth could a male calling himself “Adult human male XY “ be putting anyone at risk?

At least this man won’t be using women’s changing rooms and loos by the sound of it.

Sure it is, there is no back story here. If he is difficult for people to work with in general he can get sacked for it. It is highly unlikely that this is his first instance.