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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brighton Trans Pride = Teachers

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Treaclewell · 12/07/2024 19:24

Today I had an intrusion in my email from the NEU, of which I am a member. But no longer. Come Monday, when I have composed a better letter, I'm out.
They wrote.... Their highlights haven't come over, and I don't think they have predicted exactly what I found triggering.
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The largest Trans Pride in the UK is taking place in Brighton on Saturday 20th July and now, more than ever, it is vital that Teachers and Support Staff stand up for our Trans students and colleagues.

Please note that the following text highlighted in yellow may be upsetting and triggering for some readers.
Those of you who remember Section 28 will feel like history is repeating itself, this time targeting the existence of Transgender and Non-Binary students and staff. From Keir Starmer announcing last week that he doesn’t want children to be able to learn about the existence of Trans people in schools, to saying that Trans women shouldn’t have the right to use women only spaces, we are facing a continuation of a major crackdown on Trans rights and the ability for us to protect our students. The terrifying Cass Review (which Yale law School and School of Medicine say 'obscures key findings' and 'misrepresents data’) to the Conservative Government’s draft guidance (which has been used by some as an excuse to limit the rights of Trans students despite this guidance still being under consultation), we are worried about the welfare of our Trans and Non-Binary students. Transgender and nonbinary young people face elevated risk for depression, thoughts of suicide, and attempting suicide compared to those who are cisgender and straight, including cisgender members of the LGBTQ+ community. Last February, transgender student Brianna Ghey was murdered and in October hate crimes against transgender people in the South East were recorded to be at their highest level in five years. 64% of trans students experience bullying at school, including from staff members.
This is why we are asking every NEU member in the South East Region to help us form the largest section of Teachers and Support Staff that any Trans Pride demonstration has ever seen, to tell the new Government that we support our trans students and colleagues and we will stand against any crackdowns on their rights.

If you would like to join your fellow NEU members in the largest Trans Pride march in Europe then please fill out this form here:

https://forms.office.com/e/AKsZDe5sx1

We look forward to seeing you on Saturday 20th July! Let’s help make 2024 the biggest year for Trans Pride Brighton yet - spread the word!

Find out more about Trans Pride Brighton here: Home - Trans Pride Brighton
From Graham, Heather and Hollie (LGBT+ Organising Forum and LGBT+ Brighton Officer)
[1] Keir Starmer opposes teaching young people about trans identities (thepinknews.com)
[1] Keir Starmer: Trans women 'don't have right' to use women-only spaces | The National
[1] Cass Review 'obscures key findings' and 'misrepresents data', finds Yale Law School (yahoo.com)
[1] Children Are Too Scared to Go to School Because of Transphobic Bullying (vice.com)
[1] Facts About Suicide Among LGBTQ+ Young People (thetrevorproject.org)
[1] Trans hate crime rises sharply in South East, figures show - BBC News
[1] Children Are Too Scared to Go to School Because of Transphobic Bullying (vice.com)

Keir Starmer says trans women 'don't have right' to use women-only spaces

KEIR Starmer has said that transgender women don’t have the right to use women-only spaces.

https://click.actionnetwork.org/ss/c/u001.XaF8mXqsA6b2dSPmhsleMW-eaCsSDaZf78QED8Lc01BdeIa9iR7JWamNF668kik25dHgfBKvrAJhlKXlVqYHIrj8YZNJOeWCyPOH4eff4NQXmrde0HLLrwJD8QxIER0Q0qRxLuQEZRtjf4HLRAAu1VWvaLaweviGJiORlrMDVwb26Wd-pwFr30YwZR630m1FMjtWZNFrwvgnezazO-qqDepAyoLf9F8JWM8iAlY35_mgNPRdgQnfgzcWBgTkLac7uYYWjQCpfJ-bPX8ejLlb-IvQqjuTB4cRtQUmLgaIZj-NCcwkvNKEcvciZqLlClD53CGbB4fIVGlUI7JOuYrY1P9PvSE3SioMHz9ynOG9irzUoTKIbDGhEVLLw6PL4BbU17WwfmMGKmTuwX7hJmQ4yg/47z/vtRT0M5VQumCHddTeKna_A/h3/h001.0dMFkccM8GqiqvuGzi-IQqWTfPuahAG_aq43wXJmwkY

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WeMeetInFairIthilien · 12/07/2024 19:35

Not this teacher.

GCSE Science spec still states that males are XY and females are XX.

I will not teach unscientific, sexist bollocks in my science lessons.

Treaclewell · 12/07/2024 19:39

I don't know where that picture of Starmer crept in from - but it was one of my triggering points. I agree with Keir!

Anyone have some points I could make? The assumption that all teachers should attend got me off to a bad start. That the NEU wants to be associated with the bad actors in previous Brighton events. That the NEU wants to be associated with the expulsions of teachng staff for supposed transphobia, with cases which have not been upheld. That womens' rights have been eradicated with reference to Sussex Rape Crisis provision. And are Lesbians allowed in Brighton Pride? (Not one, but sticking up for them,)

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nocoolnamesleft · 12/07/2024 19:40

The Cass review is exquisitely well written, and painstakingly balanced, where balance is possible. It sounds like they haven't read it. Or else why are they in favour of sterilising and mutilating gay and autistic children?

allnewfor2024 · 12/07/2024 19:43

Interesting. I’m not with NEU - I joined them for a while to take part in strikes last year, but won’t do this time.

Grammarnut · 12/07/2024 20:08

I'm a retired member of NEU. I resent being told I stand with trans ideologues, rather than with actual women. I do not know how the NEU is unable to read to the room. Women are opposed to trans privileges because they remove the rights of women.

Runor · 12/07/2024 22:29

“From Graham, Heather and Hollie”

Men first, always!

Treaclewell · 12/07/2024 22:44

I know how they fail to read the room, Seen it before. They roll up to meetings and discuss heatedly the ussue of the month. Other teachers are not organised and attend as individuals, don't like whats happening so don't come any more and do marking. They can close down branches that way, but also pass motions the locals don't like. Most teachers don't have the time to do politics, or the political mindset. They want to teach.

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esmeisa · 12/07/2024 23:26

Left NEU a few months ago based on them telling me how I should think.

Their stance on transgender issue is just one of the areas that made me cancel my 25 year long membership.

DrBlackbird · 12/07/2024 23:37

You might, for one, comment on what they consider as ‘evidence’ for their key claims. Honestly quite shocking to see those citations being used as evidence to justify claims made by a teaching union.

Valdor · 12/07/2024 23:39

Most Brighton teachers will go on this.

also the registration form is open to everyone. Just saying.

Bunty2727 · 13/07/2024 06:39

I just looked at the trans Brighton website, asking for donations to enable them to put on their Fantasy Parade next weekend target £8000, raised 1,092 only 7 days to go LOL, I didn’t donate. Amazing , I live in Brighton/Hove the place is choc full of trans so you would think they could easily raise that small amount from their numbers in B&H alone, guess us Council Tax payers are stumping up most of the funding! This makes me feel sick to continue to live here and pay for this shit through my taxes.

mach2 · 13/07/2024 07:03

Last February, transgender student Brianna Ghey was murdered and in October hate crimes against transgender people in the South East...

Ghey was killed because the perps couldn't acquire their first choice. But that won't stop the idealogues from using the case in a dishonest way.

DuesToTheDirt · 13/07/2024 11:20

mach2 · 13/07/2024 07:03

Last February, transgender student Brianna Ghey was murdered and in October hate crimes against transgender people in the South East...

Ghey was killed because the perps couldn't acquire their first choice. But that won't stop the idealogues from using the case in a dishonest way.

Hmm, it mentions Brianna Ghey but not Scarlet Blake. Wonder why?

PeppercornMill · 13/07/2024 11:24

When you have to use PinkNews and Vice.com as references, you know you haven't got a strong case.

Kaleds · 14/07/2024 16:49

DuesToTheDirt · 13/07/2024 11:20

Hmm, it mentions Brianna Ghey but not Scarlet Blake. Wonder why?

I mean surely it's the same reason that Lucy Letby and Fred West haven't been mentioned either, because Scarlett Blake is an adult targeting another adult whereas Brianna Ghey was a 16-year-old, stabbed 28 times by other 16-year-olds. No matter what you think about trans people, it is acknowledgeable that being murdered at 16 because of it is utterly unforgivable. Scarlett's gender identity bore no semblance in the result of her crime, maybe apart from the prison she was placed in.

DuesToTheDirt · 14/07/2024 18:32

Kaleds · 14/07/2024 16:49

I mean surely it's the same reason that Lucy Letby and Fred West haven't been mentioned either, because Scarlett Blake is an adult targeting another adult whereas Brianna Ghey was a 16-year-old, stabbed 28 times by other 16-year-olds. No matter what you think about trans people, it is acknowledgeable that being murdered at 16 because of it is utterly unforgivable. Scarlett's gender identity bore no semblance in the result of her crime, maybe apart from the prison she was placed in.

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Of course it's unforgiveable for teenagers to murder teenagers.

It's also unforgiveable for Scarlet Blake to murder a random stranger, even if the victim was an adult. As for Fred West? Where does he come into it? Are you saying his crimes are understandable because he was an adult? Or because his victims were adults? (they weren't all, by the way). And why do you bring up Lucy Letby?

Anyway, a major flaw in your argument - Brianna was NOT murdered for being trans. Surely you know there was a list of 5 potential victims, and Brianna was 2nd on the list and the only one who was trans.

Oh, and Scarlet was placed in a men's prison.

I don't think you are keeping up with the facts.

Treaclewell · 14/07/2024 20:40

Surely you know there was a list of 5 potential victims, and Brianna was 2nd on the list and the only one who was trans.

And the only case of a trans victim they could find.

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PorcelinaV · 15/07/2024 08:43

"Learn about the existence of trans people"

I'm sure they know that the issue is people object to one-sided propaganda in the classroom, which is already supposed to be illegal.

AlexaAdventuress · 15/07/2024 12:29

On a slightly different but related note my higher education sector employer has been boasting about the improvement in its Stonewall ranking. I just quipped to a colleague that this is not too hard to do now that so many organisations are leaving. I don't think it went down well . . .

TheMithrasDirective · 15/07/2024 12:45

AlexaAdventuress · 15/07/2024 12:29

On a slightly different but related note my higher education sector employer has been boasting about the improvement in its Stonewall ranking. I just quipped to a colleague that this is not too hard to do now that so many organisations are leaving. I don't think it went down well . . .

My employer has also been sending emails bragging about our Stonewall ranking. Meanwhile, every other email is about costcutting and redundancies are happening in my team and elsewhere. OK to send thousands to this racket, though, while low-paid staff lose their jobs 😡

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 16/07/2024 04:30

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 12/07/2024 19:35

Not this teacher.

GCSE Science spec still states that males are XY and females are XX.

I will not teach unscientific, sexist bollocks in my science lessons.

i understand the point you are making, but this is a terrible argument! The GCSE course also teaches that humans can only have blue or brown eyes!😂

cariadlet · 16/07/2024 04:43

This is why I am no longer a member of the NEU. The activists who go to Conference adopted motions which put trans ideology ahead of safeguarding. Cass seems to have made no difference.

I rejoined to support the strikes and was an active union member (picket supervisor, going to union meetings) during the strikes but resigned again as soon as they finished.

Trade unions have been essential in fighting for workers' rights but too many are now in thrall to trans activism.

VashtaNerada · 16/07/2024 04:44

It seems like a hugely divisive issue in the NEU at the moment. I wouldn’t leave though, it does so much good work and this is only a tiny part of it. I tend to pick and choose which issues to get involved with and if I don’t feel something is worth marching for I just don’t get involved.

sashh · 16/07/2024 05:07

From Keir Starmer announcing last week that he doesn’t want children to be able to learn about the existence of Trans people in schools, to saying that Trans women shouldn’t have the right to use women only spaces, we are facing a continuation of a major crackdown on Trans rights and the ability for us to protect our students.

trans women do not have a legal right to female only spaces. Why are they only bothered about trans women and not trans men? That's direct sex discrimination.

What rights are being taken away from trans people?

What does 'protecting students' have to do with the above?

jcakey · 16/07/2024 05:18

mach2 · 13/07/2024 07:03

Last February, transgender student Brianna Ghey was murdered and in October hate crimes against transgender people in the South East...

Ghey was killed because the perps couldn't acquire their first choice. But that won't stop the idealogues from using the case in a dishonest way.

And, according to the Guardian's contemporaneous coverage of the case, one of her murderers was also questioning her gender https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/08/brianna-ghey-trial-accused-denies-anti-transgender-views Scarlett Jenkinson told the court she had an online identity as a boy called Nathan. I can't imagine why trans activists - and our new PM - would make so much of Brianna's identity but not that of her killer. It was a really distressing, tragic case but I think it was - thankfully - a one-off... I'm not aware of any other trans-identifying people, much less vulnerable teenagers, having been murdered in the UK in recent years (please do correct me if I'm wrong). Whereas an average of up to three biological women a week are being murdered - three from the same family last week. People need to stop referencing this case as if it is symbolic of some wider threat to trans people that does not appear to exist.

Brianna Ghey murder trial: accused denies anti-transgender views

Accused tells court she found murder victim attractive but co-defendant ‘didn’t agree’ with trans or gay people

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/08/brianna-ghey-trial-accused-denies-anti-transgender-views

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