how do they represent the queer community?

[dacdser]

A genuine question.
I don't get it.
Is the bride female and the groom male? If so, where's the queer element? I just don't get it.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/madeleine-gerrick-and-j-winkelried-wedding?utmsource=facebook&utmmmedium=social&utmcampaign=dhfacebook&utmmcontent=null&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3MzMIFxjciAM0hv1qRiLTt4FDe1R7rl3pfu8SzcfQ2HbHDZm5SC9CkAC0aemm6gG6tmBBvpT8ZshX-tV6w

Everyone can see right through you.

You start off saying that you are posting a 'genuine question' 🥱 about how a male and female couple could be considered queer. This couldn't be further from the truth, you knew exactly what you were doing which is entirely evident from your subsequent posts.

Just step up, have some integrity and own it - as you're not being very clever at hiding your tracks.

You started this thread to provoke animosity towards people who are doing things differently in their lives to you, and you've got some people willing to join in with you, no surprises.

What struck me is that the article claims it is illegal to say gay in schools in Florida (no idea whether this is true or not):

‘Welcome to Florida: the ultimate gay wedding destination!’ Even in a state where it is illegal to say the word gay [in schools], we knew it was important to celebrate ourselves and our love there because love will always win.”

And yet they don't use the word "gay" themselves. The masculine presenting one of couple could plausibly - in photos at least - be either male or female. So you have to know the LGBTQ+ lingo to understand that "trans masculine non binary person" means "female person who presents as male but uses gender neutral pronouns" to understand that they are both female and you are reading about a lesbian wedding. If you don't understand that, and you think you're reading about a heterosexual wedding where one or both partners identifies as "queer", you'd find the references to "feeling safe" as ridiculous and self indulgent.

It just seems like a step backwards to me. You're lesbians. Own it. Be proud. Isn't that what pride is supposed to be about?

Otherwise, it looks like they and their guests had an amazing time and good luck to them. If my parents owned a massive mansion in Florida and I had an unlimited wedding budget to spend on things like mini golf, themed cocktails and ornamental golden peacocks, I would probably get a bit carried away too.

If a couple put their wedding in Vogue it will be criticised, such is the way of the world.

I give it 18 months max.

Yeah I laughed at "we're very private people" when they've put their wedding in Vogue.

It's a fluff piece in a vapid magazine.

It's not for shits and giggles for me. It's deadly serious.

It is my friends and my community that is on the receiving end of this hatred, this normalising of ridicule towards them and this increasing antipathy that is seeping into all areas of their lives. It flourishes as a result of threads like these.

And I will be next in line of course. Everyone should know the prejudice does not start and end with trans people, it migrates stealthily to gay and lesbian people, make no mistake.

@suggestionsplease1 gender ideology is toxic and cultish in the way it pulls prospective new recruits in, going into schools for fucks sake. Have you read the Cass review? If not, why not?
Do you believe in child safeguarding?
Do you believe in the coerced use of incorrect pronouns to validate someone's rainbow identity?

Maybe the TQ+ community should stop making the LGB community look ridiculous.

Send it in. You might get a tenner.

Yes, it's so homophobic for the TQ+ to say that lesbians should be open to doing dick. No wonder the LGB people I know want nothing to do with pride and the so called LGBTQ+ community, it's deeply regressive.

I understand your concerns and it is the saddest part of allowing Stonewall to false team T with LGB. I have family and friends who are lesbian and gay who lived quiet lives with their partners and spouses with complete acceptance.

The utter narcissists driving the TQ+ agenda have no shits to give about about LGB or truely trans people. When the pendulum swings they will quietly disappear into the woodwork and the LGB will pay the price.

It is time for LGB to stop being kind and call for a divorce from this forced marriage.

I expect you and I will disagree on a lot of things and I'm not going to get into it on a thread where your bad faith approach is so manifestly obvious.

There are a lot of people out there that may have concerns about many different things but they are not starting snide threads to encourage sneering, hostility and vitriol towards a couple of their wedding day.

So in that respect, just own it, you want to encourage a culture of hostility towards trans/ non-binary people.

If you wanted to actually discuss issues you could have started a non-personal thread to do that.

You didn't do that, you posted a 'genuine question' 🥱 that was actually a ruse to encourage the expression of ridicule and hatred to a couple on their wedding day. Just own it.

'I love that being queer allows us to both experience the magic of a proposal. We think everyone should have that!'

I didn't read the whole thing so - how is this any different to what everyone does? Did they each propose to the other?

DH & I both experienced the magic of a proposal. After living together for several years & telling everyone we'd never get married, we were lying in bed on a Sunday morning & I said to him, "I've been wondering if we should get married," & he said, "I've been thinking the same thing," & that was that. Magical enough that I still remember it, over 40 years later (& still together).

My question was about a 'normal lesbian wedding' involving 'one femme and one butch', which in my experience is not the norm.

Not much passes me by, certainly not gay marriage

I could be wrong but I think @AnnaMagnani was saying that this is a "normal lesbian wedding" in the sense that a biological woman is marrying another biological women, regardless of how either of them presents or what pronouns they use.

@suggestionsplease1

you said:

"So in that respect, just own it, you want to encourage a culture of hostility towards trans/ non-binary people."

That's what people have accused Dr. Cass of, encouraging a culture of hostility by questioning transgender ideology. Obviously that's a load of rainbow coloured shit because these days, anyone who criticises any single aspect of gender religion is considered a hateful transphobe. It's empty rhetoric when you can't offer an intelligent argument. (I notice you didn't say whether you'd read Cass or not, I assume you think she's an evil hate monger)
And when you ask me to own it: I didn't see two females getting married in the original photos, (I do now) but if you'd like me to
own my views on non binary, I will, happily.
It's a load of send indulgent, meaningless nonsense.

Fair comment

Then I apologise unreservedly for having misunderstood your comment. In my defence I had my menopause brain fog head on yesterday morning.

Yes they are both female. It's just all gobbledegook labels they are lesbians getting married.

I'm glad everyone else read the article, to save me the trouble!

Does anyone know what a shacket is? (My phone recognised the word...)

A shacket is a cross between a shirt and a jacket. So a lightweight type jacket that looks like a shirt.

It's a shirt style jacket.

Absolutely no need to apologise, I hate it when people are snarky or snippy on here and I realise I may have almost strayed into that with my original post. So I'm sorry too. Let's draw a line under this outflowing of slight misunderstandings and mutual apologies. As we say in Ireland, 'sure you're grand!'