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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault

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WandsOut · 04/07/2024 18:06

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sandman-writer-neil-gaiman-denies-142813982.html

Story still unfolding in the news

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nauticant · 13/08/2024 19:26

I think he has 3 main choices:
agree that he's done harm, which isn't going to happen;
fight back in some way which is the worst option because if there are plenty of other women and girls out there, this would in effect be him inviting them to come forward with their stories; or
say nothing and hope that it somehow fades away enough for it to become not-a-thing.

It's not surprising he's going for the last choice.

notathenabutcassandra · 13/08/2024 21:39

Well we're not going to let it die.

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LilyBartsHatShop · 14/08/2024 08:23

VictorianBigot · 13/08/2024 16:09

I disagree. The more people talk about it and share their experiences, the better. Without this momentum it will die out, because what else is there to talk about? He's not saying anything, nor are any of his buddies. What will being 'made accountable' look like? It's not like this is going to go to trial. I very much hope his publishers, BBC, Netflix et al drop him but I'm not convinced this is going to happen seeing as the BBC haven't even bothered to cover it.

Oh gosh I feel a bit slow but I've only just twigged with this post that the BBC failing to report on this is doubly dogdy. It's newsworthy in its own right but, of course, they're co-producing Good Omens!
Nothing stuck to them when all the Russell Brand stuff came out. Actually now that I think about it nothing really stuck to the BBC when the Jimmy Saville horrors were finally exposed. And someone in the media must have been helping squash all those stories until they came out a month after he died.
So perhaps the beeb will be teflon again.

VictorianBigot · 14/08/2024 09:05

This has been posted on neiluncovered:

https://www.reddit.com/r/neilgaimanuncovered/comments/1erpq9z/thread_on_bluesky/

Maybe I'm just tired, but I found the whole thread very confusing. If Tess has information that can potentially corroborate the victims' accounts, has she spoken to the police? Confused

And what is she talking about in slide 3 - 'THIS is why I said before to be kind to those nearest to him who haven't come forward'? Is she implying they're not coming forward because they might lose some friends? And therefore we should be kind to them?

And then she ends the thread with it with 'I will fight you to the death defending his collaborators' Confused

taylorswift1989 · 14/08/2024 11:06

I didn't find it confusing - I thought she was saying a friend of NG's has forwarded emails etc about the women involved after she (the poster) said she believed them. This only strengthened her belief in the women and ended her friendship with NG's defender. She doesn't want to share emails from the women involved. She also doesn't think that NG's creative collaborators should be blamed.

taylorswift1989 · 14/08/2024 11:07

I think she's saying be kind to his defenders because they have been groomed too.

VictorianBigot · 14/08/2024 12:30

Oncemoreuntothebreachmother · 14/08/2024 12:15

https://www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/aug/14/coraline-review-henry-selick-neil-gaiman

I see the Guardian briefly references NG stuff as a brief aside in this review on their front page just now...

Wow, comments are enabled! In the Guardian!

It's depressing how most commenters are ignoring that sentence. Good for the author for including it though.

VictorianBigot · 14/08/2024 12:38

taylorswift1989 · 14/08/2024 11:07

I think she's saying be kind to his defenders because they have been groomed too.

I'm not convinced. All of them?

Are they concerned about being sued perhaps?

LilyBartsHatShop · 14/08/2024 13:28

I agree it's a confusing thread, but I assumed when she talked of being kind that she's talking about being gentlre with women in Gaimen's circle who, if they admitted that Scarlett and the others were groomed and abused, would have to admit they had themselves been abused by him. At the moment they're still convincing themselves I chose it, I'm a powerful woman, don't kink shame me &c. &c.

That is based on a dynamic I observed with a bloke I knew who was not at all famous but was hideously abusive and some women found it so hard to acknoweldge, they wanted to believe it was all their empowerful choice and no way had they been his victims.

CrossPurposes · 14/08/2024 14:24

VictorianBigot · 14/08/2024 12:30

Wow, comments are enabled! In the Guardian!

It's depressing how most commenters are ignoring that sentence. Good for the author for including it though.

One commentator has pointed out the allegations haven't been mentioned in the Guardian.

VictorianBigot · 14/08/2024 15:49

CrossPurposes · 14/08/2024 14:24

One commentator has pointed out the allegations haven't been mentioned in the Guardian.

They're all been deleted now.

notathenabutcassandra · 14/08/2024 16:05

@VictorianBigot really? They're deleting comments?? Did anyone manage to screen grab?

VictorianBigot · 14/08/2024 16:11

notathenabutcassandra · 14/08/2024 16:05

@VictorianBigot really? They're deleting comments?? Did anyone manage to screen grab?

Yep, any comments that referred to the allegations have been removed with the message 'This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs.'

I didn't take a screenshot but I don't recall anything worrying about them, from the Guardian's standpoint, at all. I think it was just a couple of people expressing their disappointment and another person saying the allegations are unsubstantiated and irrelevant to the review.

Dervel · 14/08/2024 16:30

VictorianBigot · 14/08/2024 09:05

This has been posted on neiluncovered:

https://www.reddit.com/r/neilgaimanuncovered/comments/1erpq9z/thread_on_bluesky/

Maybe I'm just tired, but I found the whole thread very confusing. If Tess has information that can potentially corroborate the victims' accounts, has she spoken to the police? Confused

And what is she talking about in slide 3 - 'THIS is why I said before to be kind to those nearest to him who haven't come forward'? Is she implying they're not coming forward because they might lose some friends? And therefore we should be kind to them?

And then she ends the thread with it with 'I will fight you to the death defending his collaborators' Confused

This sounds a little bit distasteful, so he basically has his own set of flying monkeys willing to ostracise those not willing to toe the line. How very Scientological of him.

I still find it telling no one is willing to stick their head above the parapet to proselytise his innocence.

VictorianBigot · 14/08/2024 16:55

Dervel · 14/08/2024 16:30

This sounds a little bit distasteful, so he basically has his own set of flying monkeys willing to ostracise those not willing to toe the line. How very Scientological of him.

I still find it telling no one is willing to stick their head above the parapet to proselytise his innocence.

I’m getting the impression the whole thing is like a cult. It’s very odd.

Omlettes · 14/08/2024 18:26

Iamiams · 11/08/2024 14:37

Actually many chimp groups don’t eat much meat. Bonobos, gorillas and orangs are mostly vegetarian too.

Gaiman said he wanted to be a wolf. I think this may have been discussed upthread but this is a bit from his journal in 2004 which you can see online:

‘When I was a boy, when I grew up I wanted to be a wolf. I never wanted to be a wolfman. I didn't really want to be a werewolf, except for a few years in my early teens. I wanted to be a wolf, in a forest or in the world.

Later, as an adult, I remember encountering the story of Red Riding Hood in its original form, a French version that predated the cleaned-up ways of telling the tale I'd already encountered, and the bleak sexuality of the story came through: when she encounters the wolf in her grandmother's bed, he eats and drinks her grandmother with her, then tells her to take off all her clothes and throw them on the fire -she wouldn't be needing them any more, -and, finally, she joins him in the bed naked. And then, with no more ado, he eats her. And there the story stops, sometimes with a direct moral -not to talk to strangers -and sometimes without it. The story disturbed me, and I put it into Sandman, in the Serial Killers' Convention story, where it represents a number of things at once, and is also itself.

The wolf defines Red Riding Hood. He makes the story happen. Without him, she'd just be another girl on her way to her grandmother's house. And she'd leave her goodies behind, and come home, and no-one would ever have heard of her. But he's not just her wolf: he's all the wolves on the edge of the world, all the wolves in all the stories, all the wolves in all the dreams of wolves; flashing green eyes in the darkness, dangerously honest about what he wants: food, company, an appetite.

And if I could be any literary figure, I think, today, I'd be strangely happy to be him.’

So the girl is only a minor character to his exciting wolf - he really makes the ‘dangerously honest’ bit dangerously clear.

They eat a lot of bugs lizards eggs birds squirrels etc
All animals are omnivores to one degree or another.
"Carnivores' eat plants and 'herbivores' eat animals. Afterall they dont have fingers and consume kilos of snails bugs etc thankfully because of vitB12 among other crucial nutrients plants dont provide.
Here are cows eating a snake.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article246800792.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3529859/Ginger-cow-caught-camera-eating-snake-Queensland-paddock.html
Protein Omega 3, B12 Creatin, lysine, breeds smart cows.😂

CorruptedCauldron · 14/08/2024 18:32

@Oncemoreuntothebreachmother

Wow, the Guardian dips its toe in the water!
With such a brief, passing mention that shows them up as not doing their jobs properly.

Note how the Guardian will wibble on a lot more about JK Rowling’s supposed ‘crimes’ when reviewing anything linked to Harry Potter.

Jeez.

They should have written this:

…now the subject of sexual assault allegations, although you wouldn’t know that if you solely rely on us for your news. We don’t cover negative stories about people we like because let’s face it, we have zero journalistic integrity. You can read about it in Rolling Stone though. Now, isn’t Coraline marvellous?!

NoBinturongsHereMate · 14/08/2024 19:00

VictorianBigot · 14/08/2024 16:11

Yep, any comments that referred to the allegations have been removed with the message 'This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs.'

I didn't take a screenshot but I don't recall anything worrying about them, from the Guardian's standpoint, at all. I think it was just a couple of people expressing their disappointment and another person saying the allegations are unsubstantiated and irrelevant to the review.

Edited

There's one still there, but it's a passing mention the end of a reply to another comment so they might have mot noticed.

CorruptedCauldron · 14/08/2024 19:11

The one that got away (a Guardian comment that hasn’t been deleted…yet):

I remember it well, took boy to see it, he was about sixish. Fell totally silent and was quite creeped out [haha]. PB put a link to sexual allegations, first I've heard. Didn't read about it here though.

Note how the commenter said “first I’ve heard. Didn’t read about it here though”.

Good old Guardian, hiding news it doesn’t like, and keeping its loyal readers in the dark.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 14/08/2024 19:13

It's very odd - they mention the allegations and give a link, but have to link to the Rolling Stone rather than their own article as they usually would. You'd think they wouldn't want to draw that attention to their own omission.

notathenabutcassandra · 14/08/2024 22:21

Currently watching Adri Joy's acceptance speech on repeat to give me hope...

Also 42 is usually a good number for me - please tell me we haven't found evidence that Douglas Adams needs to fuck off into the sun, too..?

Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault
Poettree · 15/08/2024 08:09

A three star review and a mention of the allegations with a link in the first paragraph (which makes it feel like the point of the review, really). I always liked Peter Bradshaw's reviews.

taylorswift1989 · 15/08/2024 09:28

notathenabutcassandra · 14/08/2024 22:21

Currently watching Adri Joy's acceptance speech on repeat to give me hope...

Also 42 is usually a good number for me - please tell me we haven't found evidence that Douglas Adams needs to fuck off into the sun, too..?

This is so sad (and self-involved) but the other day I was thinking I'm glad Douglas Adams died because even though we lost a genius, at least we don't have to find out he was a creep or a misogynist. I don't think I could have got over DA saying "transwomen are women, non binary people are valid."

I saw that NG is writing a sequel or doing something with HHGTTG and that pissed me off no end.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 15/08/2024 09:29

The plot summary is interesting, too. Child is lured away fron own family by love-bomblng pretend family that demands she gives up body parts in order to belong.

Of course that always was the plot, it's not changed, but he doesn't usually summarise the narrative quite so starkly in his reviews. Normally there's some commentary interwoven with the plot descriptions- who played which part, whether filming techniques worked, influences, whether motivations are convincing etc.

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