Miriam Cates

[CassieMaddox]

New report says she was trustee at a church while gay conversion therapy was happening. The kind of conversion therapy that involves exorcism of demons.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ngprp5xdvo

As a director and trustee at the charity behind the church, external from September 2016 to September 2018, Mrs Cates, had safeguarding responsibilities for those who attended

Thought this might interest some posters on here. Not sure I would trust her with safeguarding after this, if indeed she retains her seat.

Precisely what the Labour party under Corbyn said about GC women. Or the Greens or Lib Dems.

This is why the double standards are stark to me.

Because it doesn’t count when it’s done by people they like 🙄

Don’t be ridiculous. Conversion ‘therapy’ is not therapy, it is abuse given a euphemistic name. Religious organisations are by and large the biggest perpetrators of it. You are the only one conflating issues, considering that this incident involved attempts to make a gay person straight! It has nothing to do with exploratory therapy for gender distressed children.

‘I’m against gay conversion therapy but don’t think anyone should be held accountable for it’ 😂

Many argue that vulnerable young adults take cross sex hormones of their own free will, so it shouldn’t be anyone else’s business. The rest of us recognise what a ridiculous argument that is. It’s just as ridiculous to see you making it in this context. As if a young man whose entire community and family belong to a church, and who is not welcome as he is, has true ‘free will’ when it comes to abusive and coercive attempts to change his sexuality.

The difference is that mumsnetters aren’t bending over backwards to praise Muslim extremists or minimise the disgusting behaviour of those praising Hamas. If there are any threads where that’s happening please let me know because I’ll be just as loud there.

Holding the right people accountable is pretty important.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-60208017
Article from Feb 2022. No mention of M.C

Sorry not sorry for my many comments. For the sake of vulnerable children I’m glad that the GC movement has gained prominence. I’m still utterly disappointed to see it being increasingly affiliated with homophobic, misogynistic and regressive figures who stand against everything we hold dear. I am even more dissapointed to see so many doing all they can to silence concern and prevent accountability. I have too much self respect and love for women and LGB people to turn a blind eye.

And it was also reported in the dreaded Daily Mail in Feb 2022. And there's a mention of wait for it Liz Truss but not MC

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10472685/amp/Sheffield-man-claims-church-forced-anti-gay-ritual-prayed-homosexuality-away.html

I know it’s not ‘therapy’ silly! That’s the point I’m making.

Colour me surprised.🙄

There will be people in every organisation whose belief system leads them to be abusive. We have a lot in the NHS, schools, and yes of course churches as well.

In some cases those beliefs become part of the institution and are institutional abuse- like the institutional racism and misogyny at the Met, and
the hospital forcing women to change in front of a man.

There is a difference between being there when it has happened and being responsible for it.

Will the buck does indeed stop with the safeguarding lead, anyone who has been involved with school governance will know that all trustees are held responsible for safeguarding and expected to know about it. There is a lot of extra training focused on it.
Personally, I find the support for MC on this board troubling. She is not a feminist. She is not a friend of women. She does not support bodily autonomy of women. She wants to encourage women to stay at home and raise families (as the preferred model not as their choice). Even if we were to put this incident to one side I would expect to see more criticism of her on here. But she's GC. There are GC MPs who are not anti-abortion and who don't think women belong in the home. It's ok to say you disagree with things people who agree with you on one with have done. So why aren't more people calling out her anti-women stances on other policies on here?

2022 article in Pink News - no mention of MC.Not linking 'cos Pink News.

She wants to encourage women to stay at home and raise families

What is your basis for this statement?

Thank you for saying this

Oh come off it

She is always going on about "producing babies" as if we are brood mares or something.

But that's kind if irrelevant to the point of this thread, which is her failure at a safeguarding responsibility. Either because she didn't want to or she wasn't competent to. Neither are good.

So you have nothing to back this up? Just making random assertions?

But coming back safeguarding, what have you to say about Harriet Harmen’s previous association with PIE? Or the Greens and the Chanellors?

I'd be very interested in your answer too Cassie

It's another attempt at a derail and totally irrelevant to Miriam Cates

It's not unusual but it's also quite a damaging belief. For example a belief in "demonic possession" was one of the reasons the safeguarding round Victoria Climbie failed. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2001/oct/08/childprotection

I don't think damaging beliefs like that should be tolerated or encouraged.

Is this a thread safeguarding and politicians or a hit thread on MC? You are making up spurious claims about her and refusing to hold other Parliamentary candidates to the same standard. You are very transparent.