Miriam Cates

[CassieMaddox]

New report says she was trustee at a church while gay conversion therapy was happening. The kind of conversion therapy that involves exorcism of demons.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ngprp5xdvo

As a director and trustee at the charity behind the church, external from September 2016 to September 2018, Mrs Cates, had safeguarding responsibilities for those who attended

Thought this might interest some posters on here. Not sure I would trust her with safeguarding after this, if indeed she retains her seat.

She may have turned a blind eye or condoned it. Or she may have known nothing about it and left when she found out. Both are perfectly possible.

In this country sex between men was illegal relatively recently. Within my life time and I’m middle aged in the old fashioned way meaning under 55.

It’s unreasonable to expect everyone- including same sex attracted people- to be completely relaxed and unconcerned within one generation.
If people who haven’t changed their belief- and it’s been the belief of the church for the last 2,000 years and the belief of the majority of the world- want to pray about it and pray for people troubled about it, that is not a safeguarding issue. It is also not conversion therapy.

What St Thomas’s did clearly went beyond that but it wouldn’t have been obvious to everyone there.

or, shorthand- “please, For God’s sake, vote Labour! Don’t stand too close to the cootie infested right of centre gender critical a or we’ll all end up in the kitchen chained to the sink. But at least we’ll be called women.”

Pardon? This is out of order. Posters start threads about the same topics all the time. I know I can pretty much guess who OP on various things will be. I'm reporting you because this has gone too far. I'm as entitled to post here as anyone.

Really? You think a churches culture isn't apparent to its leadership team?

I am very skeptical of that. That is a safeguarding issue in itself.

I don't give a monkeys who you vote for 😂
This is a thread about someone of interest to this board, being involved in a safeguarding story.

Report me, if it upsets you.
It's still true.

No. It isn't. It's your extremely rude opinion.

Couldn't have put this better myself.

I like Miriam Cates she's one of my favourire current politicians. think she's brave.

I think she's pro family and pro mothers which helps women.

I think she promotes children's needs.

I think her position on abortion is a reasonable one to hold.

I think not being in favour of same marriage is understanable if you are religious.

I presume she is not in favour of harming people to try to stop them being gay.

I think there is a consistent effort to smear Christain politicians for holding Christian beliefs.

I think she's great.

It's my extremely rude opinion based on facts.

You don't have to be Alan Turing to see the pattern in your threads.

Hmm. And yet if I sat the same I'm being "faux naive" apparently.

I think you have confused faux naivete and sarcasm?

Well I for one, am leaving Cassie to her tendatious thread. It's quite illuminating to click on all ops posts. Continuing would be like banging your head against a brick wall, pointless.

I happen to live in Miriam Cates constituency and she's been a terrible MP in my opinion.

I wrote to her about school issues and got a weaslly reply (& then unfortunately on her list of people to write to).

I knew about her views in abortion etc. and totally disagree with them. I read about this story yesterday and not a surprise with her views. Hopefully she'll soon be looking for a new job!

The culture of the church clearly is evangelical, traditional view of marriage. You can know that without knowing that prayer and counselling has crossed the line into conversion therapy.

Being a trustee in the CofE is, I think, called ‘being on the PCC’. It means being part of the decisions on what colour carpet and paint to get, whether you can afford to employ a cleaner/childrens worker/admin assistant. Whether the church building is being properly maintained, or the trees/graveyard is ok. It wouldn’t necessarily have anything about teaching- that’s a ministry decision. It would have chosen 20 years ago to be prepared to appoint a female vicar. It will have had to decide whether to marry divorced people. They will have to decide whether to approve the prayers of love and faith that have been made available recently.

They don’t know what course are run in home groups, what prayers are shared in prayer trios. And they will be told ‘there was a safeguarding incident which has been resolved/referred to the diocese.’

You don’t understand how churches work if you assume a trustee/PCc member will have the ins and outs of safeguarding investigations. You realise safeguarding referrals can be about domestic violence, sexual abuse etc. would you want that shared with everyone in church leadership? I’d hope not!

Anyway, after tomorrow we hopefully won’t need this endless left right you’re a nazi stuff for a few more years!

Well I have enjoyed the repeated cries of Derail! from someone who has a First Class Honours degree in Derailment from the University of Whataboutery.

I wouldn't put your lunch money on it.

Nice to see you came on the thread just to contribute that. Illuminating stuff

Yes I am looking forward to the end of the Reds Under The Bed nonsense too. Bring on boring politics I say

I don't understand how churches work because I have no religion.
I'm going off the various articles saying Cates had responsibilities for safeguarding as a trustee.

And "safeguarding" is not just making referrals. Its about having a duty of care to keep people in your organisation safe. So yes, if there are ongoing allegations of safeguarding issues being made relating to things that happened in the church,and staff that are still there, I'd assume the leadership would know.

Ooh. I am cut to the quick.

Interview with Helen Joyce about conversion therapy. Challenges the misconceptions.

www.sometherapist.com/campaigns/view-campaign/gxy6RzLz6rfaZE78_a0_xjU_YkBSseO7FiuCfVLyQnWAxqh2efNzj9eqJa_GmBR5J2OeWpqLQpfZRQIa2Heo_upJvweSXs8J

It is possible that MC was largely aligned with that church’s culture but not aligned with every aspect of it. Given that there are huge numbers of Christians in the world, if every one of them was completely aligned with everything in their church’s culture, each church would have to have exactly one member. Did the report (which is the most authoritative account of this matter we have) criticise MC? If so, she can defend her actions for herself. But to say that she is responsible for other people’s actions at a time when she was not in a leadership role would be a stretch. Is Rosie Duffield responsible for Labour’s policies on women’s rights?