Stonewall has expelled crossdressers from the trans umbrella - Sex Matters

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Stonewall’s long-standing definition of “trans” changed on 27th June 2024 to drop “crossdresser” from the list. Before then, it said:

“Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman, trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.”

The so-called “trans community” is not a homogenous group but a list of identity options, some of which, like “neutrois”, no one can define. Crossdressers are familiar to many of us, though, and in the past would not have been described as trans. It always seemed odd that Stonewall’s definition included them. It has worked well for crossdressers, though, normalising their behaviour and giving them protection. Calling a man a part-time crossdresser could see you branded transphobic and even cost you your job – even if the man in question did not claim to be a woman.

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Seeing as there should be no restrictions on who wears a particular item of clothing, how could anyone even be labeled a cross dresser in 2024?

Blimey, next they will be saying a bloke in a dress is not trans. Er, wait a minute....

This will be part of whatever deal they have with the Labour Party going forward after Friday.

Ah, hard luck Eddie.

I'm suspicious 🤔

1. Stonewall have for years been fighting for absolutely any man who wants it (including crossdressers) to be be covered by The Trans Umbrella.
2. And they have been promoting the idea that the crossdressing men under this umbrella are thus currently covered by Equality Act 2010 (gender reassignment) and probably eventually by an amended GRA 2004 (amended to require reduced burden of proof or actual Self-ID).
3. And so employers have been 'encouraged' to get ahead of what Stonewall are telling them will be the law.

I see no credible reason as to why Stonewall would reverse their previous position AND do it so quietly AND there not be a HUGE fuss from the usual quarters.

There is some new leadership, I don’t believe this was an accident.

All the ones they kept in are about feelings. This one is about clothing.

It's a good job feelings are more evidential than clothes are that a man is a woman. 🙄

Give it a week and the term “cross-dresser” will become the new slur only ever used by hateful TERFs. Those who might once have referred to themselves as cross-dressers have now rebranded as “trans”.

Although that would be funny if the Scottish hate speech law was already using “out of date” language. 5 minutes after being passed.

I’ve never seen “gender non-conforming” in Stonewall’s glossary. I’ve checked several times over the last few years.

i presume that’s because accepting the idea would undermine their notion of gender.

Ah now that is interesting.
Transvestite no longer under the umbrella.
Is that to try to separate kinks/AGP from transsexuality?
I think it's too little, too late now. When they set up transgender as the widened umbrella for anybody and everybody and Eddie Izzard declared himself trans, they set themselves up for self ID.

So now they're distinguishing between 'feelings' and 'feelings when I'm in a dress or thinking about being in a dress'?

Aren't they the same thing?

How vile and exclusionary of them...

I think they have no argument against women's objections to crossdressers - so they'll just pretend they don't exist instead.

Hey!

Don't dis the feefees.

I do.

I'm afraid at this point it's bloody obvious that Labour and these extremist organisations have a deal for Starmer et al to make a few vague noises about managing to summon up a little care for women on the understanding that once those women have put the tick in the box, Labour will skip with Stonewall into the sunset of the total destruction of women's rights and equalities.

Remember the 70s and Labour in bed with/totally controlled by insane unions? It's about the same, except a hell of a lot more dangerous.

If I'd had any thought of holding my nose, surrendering my rights and the rights of women and children, and voting Labour 'because I trust them on x even if I obviously don't like y', I am now deeply concerned that there isn't a moral, ethic or grain of integrity in this party and if I cannot trust them in this then I cannot trust them at all.

If we're talking about what words are supposed to mean, it's when there's an element of sexual pleasure. Which is revealing in terms of the word being part of the definition of "trans" in the first place.

Following comments above, the intention isn't for "crossdressers" to be excluded from the definition of "trans", it's to make sure this group of people is still there but rebranded as something else because otherwise it's too revealing about what's going on.

I am a cynical whining little fucker but I expect this is more about dodging the Cass Review to re-establish puberty blockers than anything.

So they can say they aren't giving them to kids who just want to wear the 'wrong' clothes. But for all the other 'conditions'.

I reckon that is the deal.

You can challenge or question someone's clothing choices because they are clearly visible; whereas you cannot challenge or question someone's feelings because only that person knows what they are.

Couldn't it also be because they might consider it outdated terminology given everyone is trans now?

Under the controversial Scottish Hate Crime and Public Order Act the category of transgender identity explicitly includes a person who cross- dresses.

This seems to me to include every woman I know when not wearing a skirt.

I very much suspect this is part of the ploy to get Self ID enacted. Being trans is not about 'living as woman' for two years, wearing women's clothes, using women's toilets and changing rooms; it is about self declaration and how you feel.

Being that he said he will end the culture wars on day one, we won't have long to wait.

Wonder where he plans to build the gulags?

I see they’ve kept “transsexual” despite the activists saying it’s an offensive term.