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Ridiculous propaganda video from Australia

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Namechange98242 · 29/06/2024 13:00

https://x.com/marycatedelvey/status/1806857007808315681

This has to be a parody, right?!

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Catsmere · 07/07/2024 22:21

Or they're so full of lies. The lie that they're women, the lie that they're poor vulnerable souls who the whole world, especially the service humans, has to mollycoddle pander Be Kind to.

PriOn1 · 08/07/2024 10:48

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LilyBartsHatShop · 08/07/2024 13:56

Gosh @PriOn1 you've just reminded me of a lift experience of my own that has added another layer of What On Earth Were VicGov thinking??
I keep thinking about these ads, how strange they are, what to make of them. In part because I'll be going back to Victoria to visit at the end of this year.
I don't think having a Polynesian actor play the part of the lift trans woman was about "playing the race card" so much as holding tight to the reigns in forming the communal narritives we have about what it means to be trans. There are different Polynesian social identities that can be taken on by male people, such as Samoan Fa'afafine. But there are huge differences between Fa'afafine and western trans women. For example the American Samoan national men's soccer team had a Fa'afafine player in the twenty teens, who would play in full make up. I think these ads deliberately included a Polynesian trans woman being incredibly entitled to put their identity firmly in a western mold, to not allow Polynesian people to have a different, less entitled kind of trans-ness as part of our society.

Catsmere · 08/07/2024 21:27

They can say what they like, but a probable AGP is one of the types of men I'd be least willing to spend any time with in any circumstances. A man who parades his fetishes to unwilling audiences isn't some poor vulnerable character. Just the opposite.

Bookery · 09/07/2024 01:57

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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "play the race card", but is the actor's race relevant here?

Bookery · 09/07/2024 02:06

I don't know how to feel about a comment seemingly nonchalantly saying "play the race card" even on the FWR board. It's clearly inappropriate.

Teddleshon · 09/07/2024 02:45

When the hell is Australia going to wake up?

NotBadConsidering · 09/07/2024 02:57

I imagine the makers of the video thought “let’s be intersectional!” but I think they also were aware of optics. Samoan culture accepts Fa’aafine, who are gay men but not necessarily treated as women. I imagine the makers of the video consciously or subconsciously thought it’s better to have a Polynesian looking male than a Caucasian AGP looking male. That way they can use “intersectionality” to claim the woman who leaves the lift is not only transphobic, but might be a racist too.

Equally, why use a Sistergirl for the section of Aussie rules football? There’s already been an example of a trans identifying male in this sport, Hannah Mouncey. Why not use someone who looks like him? Because they know it’s a bad look; they know a young girl or woman isn’t likely to nod encouragingly towards someone like Mouncey to come and join them for a contact sport, so no audience would buy into it. But use “intersectionality” for that, and it shows a white girl (why not indigenous girl here?) being kind to a black boy. Girls telling boys they don’t want to play footy with or against them because they’re male? Transphobes. Girls telling black boys they don’t want to play with or against them because they’re male? Transphobes and probably racist.

They knew exactly how it would look and exactly what they were doing. It’s funny how no one in Australia has dared attack indigenous culture’s “men’s business” and “women’s business” which is strictly sex segregated. You don’t see TRAs standing outside private women’s business sites in the bush with placards demanding sistergirls are let in. I wonder why?🤔

Wearingmybluejumper · 09/07/2024 03:56

NotBadConsidering · 09/07/2024 02:57

I imagine the makers of the video thought “let’s be intersectional!” but I think they also were aware of optics. Samoan culture accepts Fa’aafine, who are gay men but not necessarily treated as women. I imagine the makers of the video consciously or subconsciously thought it’s better to have a Polynesian looking male than a Caucasian AGP looking male. That way they can use “intersectionality” to claim the woman who leaves the lift is not only transphobic, but might be a racist too.

Equally, why use a Sistergirl for the section of Aussie rules football? There’s already been an example of a trans identifying male in this sport, Hannah Mouncey. Why not use someone who looks like him? Because they know it’s a bad look; they know a young girl or woman isn’t likely to nod encouragingly towards someone like Mouncey to come and join them for a contact sport, so no audience would buy into it. But use “intersectionality” for that, and it shows a white girl (why not indigenous girl here?) being kind to a black boy. Girls telling boys they don’t want to play footy with or against them because they’re male? Transphobes. Girls telling black boys they don’t want to play with or against them because they’re male? Transphobes and probably racist.

They knew exactly how it would look and exactly what they were doing. It’s funny how no one in Australia has dared attack indigenous culture’s “men’s business” and “women’s business” which is strictly sex segregated. You don’t see TRAs standing outside private women’s business sites in the bush with placards demanding sistergirls are let in. I wonder why?🤔

This^^ 100%. Not only is the ad misogynist it is disingenuous and dishonest. Kit and Edie also discussed the racial aspect of the ad here . A really good analysis.
I am so angry with the Victorian government and it’s clear contempt for women and girls.

Ep 55: The Unsaid

We have a look at the Victorian Government new thought police campaigns. Full notes to come on substack.

https://youtu.be/5BAUA21H9so?si=TGpmUiMMiuyzOSYW

Catsmere · 09/07/2024 04:09

I thought the woman in the lift looks Indian, so it's even further from the "evil white cis woman oppressing tiny vulnerable angelic TW of colour" if that's what they were aiming for.

NotBadConsidering · 09/07/2024 06:20

And all of those who commit the “crimes” in this extended video are white aren’t they? The woman in the lift: they were never going to make her of any ethnicity because they know it would be “are you trying to say [insert race] are always transphobic?”

The nice man who helps the feeble man with his oh so heavy box is Asian.

The family at the bbq excluding the surgically altered female? Horrible white people again. They weren’t going to make them a group of Asians, or (gasp!) Palestine supporters😮.

Of course race has come into it, they’ve deliberately manipulated the race of those in each scenario to make their “transphobe!” point, which is pretty racist if you ask me.

Helleofabore · 09/07/2024 07:45

they’ve deliberately manipulated the race of those in each scenario to make their “transphobe!” point, which is pretty racist if you ask me.

Yes. I believe this was a very clumsy but deliberate choice too. I actually think the actress in the lift might have been deliberately chosen for this purpose too. She is a fairly well known Australian actress known for playing roles in the past that are Indian Australian. I read she is a uni lecturer now too. I wonder if that had anything to do with her decision to play that role in this ad. Is she known for activism?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2024 08:47

Or more accurately, don't understand how it comes across to anyone else. Maybe the people directing that transwoman simply don't recognise the entitlement he emanates, because to them it looks completely normal.

I strongly felt that it was deliberately goady. There are women standing on the train with the bag one but the seat gets given to a man in a sparkly top. These people do like their in plain sight misogyny, gaslighting and goading.

duc748 · 11/07/2024 11:27

Just to finish the story, on the banning I got from the Aussie site I mentioned upthread, that expired and I was able to post, so returned to the rugby league folder, which is more 'my people', and of course I said what had happened, and the comment I got was

Very dangerous territory if you don’t kiss the ass of Adam Bandt and the Greens. Also, no dissenting opinions to Greens policy allowed.

I didn't know who Adam Bandt was (in fact I assumed at first he was one of the site's mods!), but Googling, he is the leader of the Australian Greens. But it was an interesting snapshot of Australia.

Wearingmybluejumper · 12/07/2024 06:46

😂🤣🤣 thank you Cister!. I needed a good laugh 😂

Catsmere · 12/07/2024 08:03

Accurate! 😄

DeanElderberry · 12/07/2024 09:03

Extremely excellent.

NotYourCisterinAus · 14/07/2024 04:30

Another brief video by Sall Grover and Moira Deeming - this time about the "birthday party" advert:

NotYourCisterinAus · 14/07/2024 04:32

Sorry - link didn't post.

https://nitter.poast.org/salltweets/status/1812242200199303400#m

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