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Gender GP Helen Webberley interview in the Times

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SqueakyDinosaur · 29/06/2024 01:46

I respect the Times for printing this, because I genuinely think it's right to get both sides. It doesn't change my opinion of HW or her husband. It looks like they have an extremely swanky house to me. There's gold in them there pills.

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RueTroussevache · 30/06/2024 01:21

What a sucking moral vacuum.

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/06/2024 01:21

That's an amazingly chilling piece of journalism to read.

Webberley claims Gender GP has 'seen' potentially 30,000 patients since the inception in 2015, and by way of comparison the figures say that NHS Tavistock GIDS saw only 9,000 since 2009. I mean, if she's telling the truth isn't that figure mind blowingly high? How can a private service give safe and effective treatment to such a high number?

Also, if she's seen so many people and they're all fee-paying, why doesn't she have the money to keep healthcare advisors employed? She says she fired them because having them on staff wasn't sustainable and now she's moved to AI self-service instead.

I just don't know how people like this sleep at night.

Helleofabore · 30/06/2024 02:29

ArabellaScott · 29/06/2024 08:56

'GenderGP has ditched health advisers in favour of providing transgender people with “self-service” treatment recommendations using an AI algorithm.

It means, for example, that a person’s blood test can be analysed by an algorithm, instead of a human health adviser, to provide a treatment recommendation for the patient to take to a doctor.

Webberley said: “We fed the algorithms the respected clinical guidelines.” It removed the “human interpretation of protocol”, she added.'

This is seriously, seriously concerning.

SqueakyDinosaur · 30/06/2024 07:10

So purely to access the "service", users must pay an upfront £260, and then £360 per year. That's before you even look at the drugs. PBs are £1180 a year for the basic package. No wonder that her house looks so opulent!

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popeydokey · 30/06/2024 08:47

Helleofabore · 30/06/2024 02:29

This is seriously, seriously concerning.

I've used LLMs (AI) where it can't even tell you the information you've just fed into it.

Afaik, there is not a chatbot that is not at risk of making fairly fundamental mistakes.

If the algorithm is simply "if x is between range 5-10 then suggest y" that's a bit different. If any context or interpretation is required though, who is liable for errors? I'm sure they will have countless disclaimers for people to click through.

SqueakyDinosaur · 30/06/2024 09:38

And given that their client base is distressed people, many with likely comorbidities and a flexible definition of truth, it's very unlikely any AI currently in use is capable of interacting safely and coming to the right conclusion, even in the Warped World of Webberley.

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redalex261 · 30/06/2024 11:15

Well she didn't come off well did she? Claims to be uninvolved in treatment/prescribing, now in managerial role but can’t and won’t sort out Employment Tribunal decision as she’s not the employer and knows nothing about it? Aye right. In both upto her neck.

Can sue the doctor who made assertion she over prescribed testosterone but hasn’t! Hmm.
Incoherent bullshit about Cass and still trumpeting WPATH “best practice” 🤔

As already said a naked grift.

Just how was her suspension overturned in High Court?

redalex261 · 30/06/2024 11:16

Oh, and still using the suicide narrative to scare parents (but in a slightly more coy fashion now).

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/06/2024 17:59

Article by Victoria Smith analysing the Webberley interview:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/gender-clinic-director-dismisses-critics-as-anti-progress/

‘Read in context, Webberley’s “not everyone likes change” is not a wry comment on the human condition. It’s the words of the neoliberal boss justifying the shaving away of “inefficiencies” in favour of a “streamlined” service that brings in more money. It’s not about helping people to adapt to change, grow and thrive. It’s about repackaging rampant individualism as indicative of a more forward-thinking sensibility.

It’s one of many highly revealing moments in which Webberley lays bare the overlap between a worldview in which the only thing that matters is personal wealth, and one in which a child’s fear of puberty can, apparently, be cured with pills and patches. In both cases, actual human bodies — actual people, with their complex emotions, their identities formed and reformed in relation to others — are an inconvenience. Deny them. Get rid of them. If you can outsource the treatment of a gender-distressed child to a robot, removing what Webberley calls the “human interpretation of protocol”, you should do it. If people object, simply tell them that they hate progress.’

Gender clinic director dismisses critics as 'anti-progress'

According to Dr Helen Webberley, “not everyone likes change”. This is true. Take puberty, for instance. For some young people, female ones in particular, this change can be incredibly hard to navigate. It’s a time when many seek flight from a body whic...

https://unherd.com/newsroom/gender-clinic-director-dismisses-critics-as-anti-progress

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