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MrsSkylerWhite · 28/06/2024 21:11

Sloejelly · Today 21:01
Sajacas · Today 20:59
That is what i wish I had said.
Thanks!

Shall we insult Jews and Muslims next?

It applies to all religions. That’s exactly why they’re called “faiths”. People believe in spite of the lack of any evidence whatsoever. That’s great. Whatever makes people happy, no problem with that at all. Nonetheless, there’s absolutely no evidence at all that religion is anything more than fairy tales that keep the masses content (controlled).

Sajacas · 28/06/2024 21:12

DeanElderberry · 28/06/2024 21:01

Jesus was ending the practice of animal sacrifices at the Temple that had started during those 40 years in the desert - a complete upending of a millennium or more of Jewish religious observance. After the crucifixion, for the 'Christians' no more lambs or sparrows or anything else needed to be killed in the Temple, so no money was needed to pay for them. Overturning the tables was an advance warning of that - and it was no wonder that a pious young man like Saul was utterly appalled by such sacrilegious behavior.

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And? Does the end of sacrifice mean we should all be vegan!

beckybarefoot · 28/06/2024 21:15

i don't think you need any faith to know that you should treat people how you would wish to be treated!

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/06/2024 21:16

beckybarefoot · Today 21:15
i don't think you need any faith to know that you should treat people how you would wish to be treated!

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DeanElderberry · 28/06/2024 21:18

Sajacas · 28/06/2024 21:12

And? Does the end of sacrifice mean we should all be vegan!

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No. It's just a change in religious observance, irrelevant to secular life. Bar the side debates about black puddings.

Christianity managed without any trans debate for 2,000 years, so I don't think it's the root of the problem.

DeanElderberry · 28/06/2024 21:20

beckybarefoot · 28/06/2024 21:15

i don't think you need any faith to know that you should treat people how you would wish to be treated!

The difficult bit is treating them how they want to be treated, seeing as their tastes and preferences might be quite different from mine.

beckybarefoot · 28/06/2024 21:22

its not difficult is it... if a man decides they want to be a woman, then i would treat them as such. if a woman decides they want to be a man, then i would treat them as such.

it gets a little more complicated when people start talking about sport but that arguement is more about ability.

DeanElderberry · 28/06/2024 21:27

I don't treat women and men differently.

Sajacas · 28/06/2024 21:27

At this point, I am just gonna say, this started at meekness.

Sajacas · 28/06/2024 21:28

beckybarefoot · 28/06/2024 21:22

its not difficult is it... if a man decides they want to be a woman, then i would treat them as such. if a woman decides they want to be a man, then i would treat them as such.

it gets a little more complicated when people start talking about sport but that arguement is more about ability.

Ok, thanks for that.

Sajacas · 28/06/2024 21:30

DeanElderberry · 28/06/2024 21:27

I don't treat women and men differently.

Really! I cannot imagine how that would go wrong- and lampoon it.

Sajacas · 28/06/2024 21:35

Sloejelly · 28/06/2024 20:59

After you have made you intentionally offensive remark, consider that it is a faith followed by billions and we are talking about the impact of that faith regardless of whether or not you believe it.

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Why is that offensive!

duc748 · 28/06/2024 21:37

There was nothing meek about the Spanish Inquisition! 😁

Sajacas · 28/06/2024 21:39

JellySaurus · 28/06/2024 17:37

AFAIK all religions have the Golden Rule, or some variant on 'treat others the way you would wish to be treated'. But AFAIK only Christianity values meekness so emphatically. Turning the other cheek, being rewarded for passivity, kindness being demonstrated by putting others first at any cost to yourself.

Christianity has shaped modern western society, even if society is no longer overly Christian. Could this subconscious valuing of meekness be one of the reasons transgenderism has had such success colonising western society?

I changed my mind, it was. It was Jesus fault.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 28/06/2024 21:44

PurpleBugz · 28/06/2024 18:26

The thing is that love your enemy/treat others as you wish to be treated is not based on your sex. It applies equally to men and women. It's the male sexism that skew it.

I'm a Christian and absolutely it's not Jesus fault. He never said anything that would lead to the poor treatment of women (except the be an obedient slave but that couldn't have been good for female slaves). There is a load of sexist offal in Christianity and it post dates Jesus. Alll the things quoted at me from the bible that place women under men and encourage women to take shit and stay in abusive marriages and be grateful for scraps from the male table comes from Paul. And the story of Paul I think tells a lot. He persecuted Christians then suddenly converted and gained power and influence over the Christian that way. He then preached in my opinion counter to the things Jesus said. Yet his words are in the bible and still read and relied on as equal to what Jesus preached. Misogyny invaded the religion in my opinion as it invaded and sours so much that is good. I've never met another Christian who shares my exact beliefs though but I guess it's not a conversation I would lead with

I've always been a bit suspicious about some of Paul's teachings too - you're not alone!

Sajacas · 28/06/2024 21:48

JellySaurus · 28/06/2024 17:37

AFAIK all religions have the Golden Rule, or some variant on 'treat others the way you would wish to be treated'. But AFAIK only Christianity values meekness so emphatically. Turning the other cheek, being rewarded for passivity, kindness being demonstrated by putting others first at any cost to yourself.

Christianity has shaped modern western society, even if society is no longer overly Christian. Could this subconscious valuing of meekness be one of the reasons transgenderism has had such success colonising western society?

Absolutely. In the bible it says we should not fornicate, but make our selves fruitful. let us do that. BUT not with close family. Having sexual relations with family, ie second cousins can result in birth defects,

Distractable · 28/06/2024 22:07

Just adding to @PurpleBugz that I agree with @DeanElderberry that Dominion would be the best start for Tom Holland's overview of Western civilisation if you want a book, and what it owes to Christianity. But you could also watch a YouTube video (there are loads if you put Tom Holland Christianity into the search) - one example is this one Also lots on The Rest is History, but also other podcasts eg Justin Brierley's Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God https://open.spotify.com/episode/6OLj6jyySolkaOJOXGKOVj

How Christianity Gained Dominion — An Interview With Tom Holland

Glen Scrivener interviews Tom Holland about his new book; Dominion. He did a follow up interview in October 2020 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=favILm...

https://youtu.be/a0xCs2EfiXA?si=O91kxmOeNaNISVjd.

eatfigs · 28/06/2024 22:14

beckybarefoot · 28/06/2024 21:22

its not difficult is it... if a man decides they want to be a woman, then i would treat them as such. if a woman decides they want to be a man, then i would treat them as such.

it gets a little more complicated when people start talking about sport but that arguement is more about ability.

Sounds like you've internalised some awfully sexist ideas about what woman and man means.