Is it Jesus's fault?

[JellySaurus]

AFAIK all religions have the Golden Rule, or some variant on 'treat others the way you would wish to be treated'. But AFAIK only Christianity values meekness so emphatically. Turning the other cheek, being rewarded for passivity, kindness being demonstrated by putting others first at any cost to yourself.

Christianity has shaped modern western society, even if society is no longer overly Christian. Could this subconscious valuing of meekness be one of the reasons transgenderism has had such success colonising western society?

I agree with that vicar @JellySaurus.

Paul was very in favour of women having a strong role in the church (and depended on their support during a lot of his travels). The few sentences about female obedience are much challenged by Pauline scholars - some of them are believed not to have been written by him at all, others to have been quotations from stuff he'd read, being set up to be knocked down. Paul is a fantastic character, well worth reading, and reading about (in Acts). He didn't do 'meek' if he could demand due legal process instead.

This 100%

And sometimes I think people forget how radical Jesus was at the time.

What are you actually discussing here?
The OP is about meekness in the christian church, which, historically is 'let me exploit you now, and you will be rewarded later'. Now, we have consumerism which is we all get exploited now, and no one benefits later because the planet is on fire.
And all because our definition of later has shifted.

Actually I'm completely retracting my view here. One word: antisemitism. It has to be more complicated.

It wasn’t just that they were cheating people. It was that they were degrading a place of holiness dedicated to God. They were turning God and the temple, a place that was meant to be set aside for worship, into a means to obtain personal benefit - the worship of mammon.

Meekness referred to is more like the opposite of pride. Pride is worship of self. Meekness is more humility - recognising that successes are down to God not to oneself. You cannot be meek and support others in their pride.

I agree. All banks need to be shut down.

the holy people in the wilderness following a pillar of smoke by day and fire by night, being how the oppressed view themselves

Not sure if I picked up this correctly. But they were in the wilderness after being freed from oppression (slavery). The wilderness was freedom not oppression.

I don’t follow?

Exactly.

Also turning the other cheek was actually a form of passive resistance. The first hit would be with the back of the hand, turning the cheek would mean they had to hit you with the palm that dishonoured them.
Also taking a burden 1 "Mile" was Roman law, but if you took it 2 the soldier could be disciplined as it was strictly forbidden.

Yes we don't understand "meek" properly.

It’s difficult, when the whole transgender thing began it was portrayed as a minuscule fraction of people with a genuine medical condition, not a well funded artificial social movement sweeping through schools.

How can we apply this to modern day issues_

Yes, this.

But my OP clearly comes across to some posters as a bit of an attack on something they value. It is not intended that way.

Why is this in sex. gender talk?
If you want to discuss the golden rule surely philosophy is the better place.

Difficult to comment on a probably fictional character. Who, even if he was an actual person, was most certainly not the progeny of a man in the sky.

Irrelevant. Enough people believe to influence society.

After you have made you intentionally offensive remark, consider that it is a faith followed by billions and we are talking about the impact of that faith regardless of whether or not you believe it.

That is what i wish I had said.
Thanks!

Shall we insult Jews and Muslims next?

Jesus was ending the practice of animal sacrifices at the Temple that had started during those 40 years in the desert - a complete upending of a millennium or more of Jewish religious observance. After the crucifixion, for the 'Christians' no more lambs or sparrows or anything else needed to be killed in the Temple, so no money was needed to pay for them. Overturning the tables was an advance warning of that - and it was no wonder that a pious young man like Saul was utterly appalled by such sacrilegious behavior.

@Sajacas

The relevance is that transgenderism has rapidly taken very strong hold of Western, Christianocentric society. It has had far less influence on non-Christian societies, despite there being more precedent for it (hijra, faafafine, bacha posh, etc). I'm asking whether the way Christianity has shaped our society has had an influence on this.

No, thanks.

I don't know if you are interested in this but it is scholars who look at the very early writings of Christians and gnostic ancient texts written around the same time as the texts our bible is derived from and they paint a very different picture of ancient Christians including Jesus being more like a cult/gang leader and threatening that when he returns to earth he will crush any unbelievers in a giant press and make wine from their blood.
Maybe over the years Christianity has been getting milder and milder and has become almost an arm of the 'Left wing' civic state. Doesn't transgenderism replace a religion, it has religious undertones.

Hang on, I thought we were discussing meekness! And now you are on about transgender, I mean. Our bible was printed in 1786, so I have no idea what you mean.