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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have I understood this correctly?

119 replies

Shufflebumnessie · 25/06/2024 16:55

I'm sue to attend my local hospital for an internal ultrasound (transvaginal).
The accompanying information I've recieved states 'If you have a preference of the gender identity of the person responsible for performing the examination please let us know in advance so that we may be able to accommodate your request'.

If they're going by gender identity, does that mean even if I specifically request the examination is performed by a female medical practitioner, I could still end up with a male (who claims to be female)? Or have I misunderstood?

OP posts:
Shufflebumnessie · 25/06/2024 16:56

*due, not sue. Sorry.

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 25/06/2024 16:58

Unfortunately, I don't think you have misunderstood.

Hoardasurass · 25/06/2024 16:58

Basically yes and it's happened before

endofthelinefinally · 25/06/2024 17:01

I am sorry, but it appears that they have used "gender identity" deliberately. So yes, you could get a male who identifies as female. I am ashamed of what is going on in the NHS now.

AquaFurball · 25/06/2024 17:02

No gender identity preference, any biological female will be fine.

GoldViper · 25/06/2024 17:04

I had a transvaginal.ultrasound done by a man. There was a woman in the room as well though so I was fine with it. Although I know some women wouldn't be

If it had just been me and him in the room I would have refused.

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 25/06/2024 17:05

I’m not very good at medical appointments, that would easily be enough to make me thing twice about going for the scan. I’m sure I’m not alone in that so I wonder how many patients are missing essential appointments due to this kind of message.

Lovelyview · 25/06/2024 17:06

I think you could put biological female and they would be treading on very thin ice if they ignore you because it's about consent. But yes, it sounds like they are using 'gender' to cover trans identified men. It might just be a thing that they've adopted as part of being Stonewalled without actually having anyone on their staff who identifies as the opposite sex.

Datun · 25/06/2024 17:07

Yes, specifying a gender, any gender, in fact, won't give you the smallest hint about what sex the person is.

misscockerspaniel · 25/06/2024 17:09

AquaFurball · 25/06/2024 17:02

No gender identity preference, any biological female will be fine.

Excellent response.

(I am waiting for a goady fucker to come along and tell us that they wouldn't give a toss blah blah blah).

Invisimamma · 25/06/2024 17:10

You are correct, you could request a female and end up with a male who 'identifies as female'.

Personally I don't usually mind getting male health care practitioners, I have always found them to be courteous and professional and offer a chaperone. But I understand some women have a need to see a female practitioner, for many reasons. And I do object to those women potentially being treated by a man who likes to call himself a woman.

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 25/06/2024 17:10

GoldViper · 25/06/2024 17:04

I had a transvaginal.ultrasound done by a man. There was a woman in the room as well though so I was fine with it. Although I know some women wouldn't be

If it had just been me and him in the room I would have refused.

Does anyone know if the procedure ( any) is being carried out by a trans woman is a female chaperone still standard?

heldinadream · 25/06/2024 17:12

I would be completely up front with them. I am only comfortable with a biological female doing my procedure. I am not comfortable with a biological male doing my procedure. I am not comfortable with a natal male who identifies as female doing my procedure. I would be comfortable with a natal female who identifies as male doing my procedure.
Or whatever applies to you, OP. Spell it out so there's no possibility of them misunderstanding what's OK and not OK for you.
Bloody hell it's a minefield. Best of luck.

endofthelinefinally · 25/06/2024 17:17

Invisimamma · 25/06/2024 17:10

You are correct, you could request a female and end up with a male who 'identifies as female'.

Personally I don't usually mind getting male health care practitioners, I have always found them to be courteous and professional and offer a chaperone. But I understand some women have a need to see a female practitioner, for many reasons. And I do object to those women potentially being treated by a man who likes to call himself a woman.

I have no issues with my male GP, or the male doctor who sutured my 2nd degree tear. I would be deeply uncomfortable with a man dressed in stereotypical female clothing, wearing make up and a wig, doing any kind of procedure, because I would immediately assume he was getting a kick out of humiliating me.

Invisimamma · 25/06/2024 17:20

endofthelinefinally · 25/06/2024 17:17

I have no issues with my male GP, or the male doctor who sutured my 2nd degree tear. I would be deeply uncomfortable with a man dressed in stereotypical female clothing, wearing make up and a wig, doing any kind of procedure, because I would immediately assume he was getting a kick out of humiliating me.

Sorry yes that was what I meant, you articulated the point better than I did.

BackToLurk · 25/06/2024 17:22

I had this and the letter I had (I think) specified it was female staff. For the record I've always been Ok with male GPs, had a male doctor attend my first birth etc BUT I found this specific procedure particularly emotionally difficult for some reason & I would have hated a male to have been there.

ADHDHDHDHD · 25/06/2024 17:24

Shufflebumnessie · 25/06/2024 16:55

I'm sue to attend my local hospital for an internal ultrasound (transvaginal).
The accompanying information I've recieved states 'If you have a preference of the gender identity of the person responsible for performing the examination please let us know in advance so that we may be able to accommodate your request'.

If they're going by gender identity, does that mean even if I specifically request the examination is performed by a female medical practitioner, I could still end up with a male (who claims to be female)? Or have I misunderstood?

You have not misunderstood. And yes it could be a male. Request a female clinician.

Meezer · 25/06/2024 17:27

Sounds like you may be the same hospital as me! My GP specifies 'female biological sex staff only' in her referral letters for female patients for whom it's important now!

@AquaFurball has it right
'No gender identity preference, any biological female will be fine.'

SierraSapphire · 25/06/2024 17:33

I was assured of female staff for mine then I got a female actually doing the scan but a male chaperone - what's the point in that? She messed it up anyway then I had to go again and got two females.

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 17:33

endofthelinefinally · 25/06/2024 17:17

I have no issues with my male GP, or the male doctor who sutured my 2nd degree tear. I would be deeply uncomfortable with a man dressed in stereotypical female clothing, wearing make up and a wig, doing any kind of procedure, because I would immediately assume he was getting a kick out of humiliating me.

Why? They aren't dressing like that for you. Your opinion about anything other than their job/standard of their work is irrelevant.

Datun · 25/06/2024 17:36

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 17:33

Why? They aren't dressing like that for you. Your opinion about anything other than their job/standard of their work is irrelevant.

Perhaps you should start reading the articles and book by Debbie Hayton. A trans identified male who has is a self-confessed autogynephile. He fully admits that dressing in women's clothes is sexually arousing to him.

Similar to what one might call a transvestite in old money. Many men identify as AGP.

JellySaurus · 25/06/2024 17:37

GoldViper · 25/06/2024 17:04

I had a transvaginal.ultrasound done by a man. There was a woman in the room as well though so I was fine with it. Although I know some women wouldn't be

If it had just been me and him in the room I would have refused.

Likewise.

The difference between a male practitioner carrying out an invasive procedure on a consenting woman, and a TW practitioner in the same situation is that not only the woman patient has not connected to having a man perform an invasive procedure on her, but neither has she consented to performing in his roleplay.

endofthelinefinally · 25/06/2024 17:38

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JellySaurus · 25/06/2024 17:39

not consented, not not connected.

ManchesterLu · 25/06/2024 17:44

misscockerspaniel · 25/06/2024 17:09

Excellent response.

(I am waiting for a goady fucker to come along and tell us that they wouldn't give a toss blah blah blah).

It's not being a "goady fucker" to point out that medical professionals are just that - professional.

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