Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have I understood this correctly?

119 replies

Shufflebumnessie · 25/06/2024 16:55

I'm sue to attend my local hospital for an internal ultrasound (transvaginal).
The accompanying information I've recieved states 'If you have a preference of the gender identity of the person responsible for performing the examination please let us know in advance so that we may be able to accommodate your request'.

If they're going by gender identity, does that mean even if I specifically request the examination is performed by a female medical practitioner, I could still end up with a male (who claims to be female)? Or have I misunderstood?

OP posts:
TinklySnail · 25/06/2024 17:53

I hate the fact that the NHS is using identity at the end of gender.
No NHS, just no 😑

Shufflebumnessie · 25/06/2024 18:03

Thank you for (unfortunately) confirming what I suspected.
Thank you to those of you who have provided suggested wording and to those who understand why I asked clarification in the first place.

OP posts:
JellySaurus · 25/06/2024 18:08

It's not being a "goady fucker" to point out that medical professionals are just that - professional.

Nothing professional about using a patient as a prop in your fetish or to validate your belief.

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 18:08

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 17:33

Why? They aren't dressing like that for you. Your opinion about anything other than their job/standard of their work is irrelevant.

FFS. 🙄

maltravers · 25/06/2024 18:23

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 17:33

Why? They aren't dressing like that for you. Your opinion about anything other than their job/standard of their work is irrelevant.

Would you like a couple of furries performing your colonoscopy? Or would you find it an inappropriate time for them to be expressing themselves?

maltravers · 25/06/2024 18:23

If I get banned for that farewell folks…

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 25/06/2024 18:27

Hard to know. 'Gender' had been used as a synonym for 'sex' for a long time before the current gender ideology came about, and often still is.

lanadelgrey · 25/06/2024 18:34

I found it hugely reassuring when I had this procedure about 18 months ago that the whole department was staffed by lovely women. The receptionist with calming Heart FM or similar on the radio and being gently chatty to some who were looking nervous, the nurses who were all middle aged as far as I could see and the doctors. I felt that whatever they discovered - I was on a two week pathway- they would understand and felt so much more calm. Luckily all was fine but there was a sense of strong female energy and of women caring for women

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 18:36

maltravers · 25/06/2024 18:23

Would you like a couple of furries performing your colonoscopy? Or would you find it an inappropriate time for them to be expressing themselves?

It's a great post and made me laugh even though it's a very serious point.

Chersfrozenface · 25/06/2024 18:37

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 25/06/2024 18:27

Hard to know. 'Gender' had been used as a synonym for 'sex' for a long time before the current gender ideology came about, and often still is.

It doesn't say "gender", though. It says "gender identity".

No way is that a synonym for "sex".

So it's not hard to know.

NewGreenDuck · 25/06/2024 18:40

BTW, a person who is 'professional', can also have a fetish. Many years ago I was warned by a GP at the practice I was attending that I should go careful with one of his colleagues. Apparently he had a habit of suggesting intimate examinations when there was no need for them. The GP actually said, just because he's a doctor he can still have an ulterior motive. I always requested the female doctors after that.
.

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 18:43

NewGreenDuck · 25/06/2024 18:40

BTW, a person who is 'professional', can also have a fetish. Many years ago I was warned by a GP at the practice I was attending that I should go careful with one of his colleagues. Apparently he had a habit of suggesting intimate examinations when there was no need for them. The GP actually said, just because he's a doctor he can still have an ulterior motive. I always requested the female doctors after that.
.

I hope that this bastard was reported by you or the GP who told you about him?

NewGreenDuck · 25/06/2024 18:48

He retired shortly after I was told that. It's disgusting, isn't it?

WickedSerious · 25/06/2024 18:56

maltravers · 25/06/2024 18:23

If I get banned for that farewell folks…

It's a fair question.

Runningupthecurtains · 25/06/2024 18:59

Any close to half way decent man with a female identity would be self aware enough to stay away when a woman has requested to female to carry out a procedure so those who would plough on treating a woman knowing it is against their wishes are not being benign and professional.

Ilovecashews · 25/06/2024 19:06

couple of furries

I have no idea what this means and I’ll pass the night awake thinking of possibilites

hastalav · 25/06/2024 19:06

This is a serious question, would everyone KNOW that the practitioner is trans? Are we told that they are trans before the procedure?

My difficulty would be in calling them out, and them being bio females all along with male build etc. I'm rambling here but I'd be mortified so how do we know. Do trans deliberately camp it up or what.

Sorry to offend anyone but I'm puzzled by this. In fact are we even allowed to object when in the room waiting to be seen and in comes what to me might be a male but ain't biologically.

What a bloody minefield, as if having the nether regions poked and prodded isn't enough trauma.

ScrapeMyArse · 25/06/2024 19:08

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 17:33

Why? They aren't dressing like that for you. Your opinion about anything other than their job/standard of their work is irrelevant.

If I consent to a female and I get a male that insists they are female, that male is carrying out a procedure that I have not given informed consent to.

Hopefully in that instance I can decline the procedure, although this is obviously socially difficult and potentially detrimental to my health as I'll have to wait for another scan.

Unfortunately, many women with PTSD from male violence freeze or appease when triggered. I may be physically unable to stop the procedure and the male will be carrying out a procedure I have not given informed consent to. Ditto if they are a rare TW that passes.

Of course NOT ALL TRANSWOMEN HCP SEEK TO OVERRIDE WOMEN'S BOUNDARIES AND PERFORM INTIMATE PROCEDURES WITHOUT CONSENT. But it is extremely worrying that the NHS appears to enable any that do.

Topofthemountain · 25/06/2024 19:15

Runningupthecurtains · 25/06/2024 18:59

Any close to half way decent man with a female identity would be self aware enough to stay away when a woman has requested to female to carry out a procedure so those who would plough on treating a woman knowing it is against their wishes are not being benign and professional.

This is how I feel. Those that plough on regardless are the very last people you want near you.

ScrapeMyArse · 25/06/2024 19:21

OP

I have had this procedure recently. I stated up front to the GP that I have past trauma from male violence (inc male HCP) and I NEED a female HCP. She wrote it on my referral.

The lady from the admin team rang me and said "do you want Saturday appointment or Sunday appointment. On Saturday it's a female team"
She sounded ordinary. Most ordinary people don't pretend sex is irrelevant, I trusted her.

I attended the procedure, there were two female HCP. They could not have been more reassuring. They had clearly read my notes and continually checked I was ok & engaged me in distracting chat. They also kept checking I was still consenting to the procedure continuing. They understood trauma.

I encourage you to clearly state what you need and what you consent to. You don't need to mention trans. If you worry that you won't be able to back out if faced with a male who is attempting to override your consent, you can say you need the toilet. In fact, they will likely ask you to empty your bladder first anyway.

endofthelinefinally · 25/06/2024 19:21

Topofthemountain · 25/06/2024 19:15

This is how I feel. Those that plough on regardless are the very last people you want near you.

I would be very, very wary of any man who identifies as female wanting to be involved in any intimate procedures.

ScrapeMyArse · 25/06/2024 19:23

Runningupthecurtains · 25/06/2024 18:59

Any close to half way decent man with a female identity would be self aware enough to stay away when a woman has requested to female to carry out a procedure so those who would plough on treating a woman knowing it is against their wishes are not being benign and professional.

Exactly

Wistfullythinking · 25/06/2024 19:26

lanadelgrey · 25/06/2024 18:34

I found it hugely reassuring when I had this procedure about 18 months ago that the whole department was staffed by lovely women. The receptionist with calming Heart FM or similar on the radio and being gently chatty to some who were looking nervous, the nurses who were all middle aged as far as I could see and the doctors. I felt that whatever they discovered - I was on a two week pathway- they would understand and felt so much more calm. Luckily all was fine but there was a sense of strong female energy and of women caring for women

I had exactly that experience when I had a breast biopsy and ultrasound.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/06/2024 19:31

Maybe you should play their stupid game and ask for a cis female.Hmm

TicklishLemur · 25/06/2024 19:58

lanadelgrey · 25/06/2024 18:34

I found it hugely reassuring when I had this procedure about 18 months ago that the whole department was staffed by lovely women. The receptionist with calming Heart FM or similar on the radio and being gently chatty to some who were looking nervous, the nurses who were all middle aged as far as I could see and the doctors. I felt that whatever they discovered - I was on a two week pathway- they would understand and felt so much more calm. Luckily all was fine but there was a sense of strong female energy and of women caring for women

The clinic I went to for one was generalised for Xray, CT, MRI and ultrasound. As such there were male and female patients in the waiting room, and male and female staff. I started to get very worried I would get a male staff member.

However, my experience was like yours fortunately. A lovely female chaperone and female sonographer who went out of her way to make me comfortable and reassure me. So OP I really hope this will be your experience also.