Labour flip flopping re gender ideology in schools

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Not sure if anyone else has been following this over the last two days...

Bridget Phillipson, the Shadow Education Secretary, was on the BBC yesterday, refusing to agree that she would keep the proposed ban on teaching gender identity ideology that is in the draft RSHE guidance. Labour avoids saying it will scrap proposed gender lessons ban - BBC News

However, today, Starmer has said that he won't allow gender ideology to be taught in schools.

Keir Starmer will not allow ‘gender ideology’ to be taught in schools (thetimes.com)

Clear as mud, huh? I don't trust them at all. Philipson's response to being asked about children's education and safeguarding was to talk about 'trans people'. 🙄 I would have thought that the Cass Review should have come above that.

Came to post the link too; they need to get their message sorted out ffs

What exactly is in the manifesto? Did that come out today ?

Very worrying. Feels like Starmer had asked her not to say the quiet part out loud so she scared the horses with her shit interview and he has come crashing in to smooth it all over. I don't believe a word he says.

Now is a good time for JKR to have a good scalding twitter thread again to illustrate their hypocrisy.

Captain Flip Flop strikes again

Their manifesto was out last week (I think) and IIRC it was silent on this.

They definitely don’t have their story straight.

Labour are being so stupid on all of this - the wider issues, including GRA too - they can’t have thought that people wouldn’t ask them probing questions.

The BBC presenter said they’d rather not be talking about it and I think that sums it up. They wish it would all go away. And it’s not going to. Idiots.

Yes it's damaging them now and I am glad about that.

Labour are just assuming that women are stupid, of course.

Trans activists are also not happy

x.com/leftiestats/status/1805260851571478802?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Good.

I thought Bridget Phillipson was supposed to be one of our secret army of Labour gender critical heavyweights? Or is she still deep under cover?
Be careful in there Bridget.

That's what I thought too.

Is it only the men who are nailing colours to the mast?

This is what I'm hoping for 🤞🤞

Suffice to say, I don't quite have the reach of JKR with my own efforts but here's my entry in to the mix:

https://x.com/BonfireLady/status/1805205483524878755?t=zTFo_s-kyqI7hQJq8etmXA&s=19

From my POV it's critical that the focus remains on it being a belief that not everyone holds. I'm also more than happy for Keir to call it an ideology, as there is indeed a political movement which is underpinned by this belief.

Even though she's clearly a believer in the concept of gendered souls/essences, Angela Leadsom made far more sense than Bridget Phillipson did on the subject from a safeguarding perspective (from 32 mins):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0020ll8/politics-live-24062024

The debate in the programme just prior to this on the GRA was as frustrating as it was interesting, so also worth a listen. All the panelists are accepting the belief that everyone has a gender identity as if it's true, while some of them are more aware than others of the harm that can result from this belief.

Either way, it shouldn't be taught in schools as fact because it becomes ideological from the start, by telling believers that someone's gender identity is more important than their sex (unless they are Isla Bryson of course 🤦‍♀️). One of the biggest problems is that the believers don't seem to recognise that it's a belief. That's why it's so important that the definition remains as is in the Gender Questioning Children guidance.

Between this and Reeves offering to meet with JKR it feels like we're now in an eleventh hour, very public negotiation with Labour.

Which is shite politics on their part because at any point in the last year they could have listened to women, consulted any of the numerous organisations set up and talked to women in their own party like Rosie Duffield or the LWD.

Apparently they'd rather have this battle very publicly via The Times, The Daily Mail and a variety of daytime talk shows.

When people say "trans people exist" I never know what that means?

It's a nothing comment isn't it?

I think it's code/shorthand for the notion that people are who they say they are.

Weasel words.

"No, I’m not in favour of ideology being taught in our schools on gender."

Who could disagree with that? But it's meaningless unless his interpretation of ideology is the same as ours.

She's going for it @BonfireLady !

Ha! Yes! Although unfortunately not (yet?) on schools.
However, the story is unfolding and she's getting mainstream press attention..

Both she and Wes Streeting have also now commented on the 4 nurses. Despite Labour's best efforts, the gender identity story is growing rather than receding.

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(Please mention the school safeguarding issue JKR... 🤞)

It's bloody brilliant to watch! JKR is a complete legend!

The Telegraph have a article on Starmer failing to be clear on gender ideology or gender identity. Treating them as two separate things. One can be taught, one not. Which, to me, throws the gates wide open. As neither are defined, if challenged they can just claim they're teaching whatever.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/24/starmer-vows-to-ban-gender-ideology-being-taught-in-schools/

https://archive.ph/EbKNt when is an ideology not an ideology? Don't ask Kier.

Well, Bridget has throw this dozy down so very clear that she's got no idea about being an effective and safe education minister

Bridget Phillipson says men with GRCs should be in women's toilets www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5104838-bridget-phillipson-says-men-with-grcs-should-be-in-womens-toilets

Starmer is such a weasel with his words. The 99.9% of women don’t have a penis to biological women don’t have a penis.

Women don’t have a penis, not just “biological women”. Seems to me his definition of women still includes trans women.

It means that some people who are what they say they aren't are alive and well and living in the same house and would have a tantrum if their families don't affirm them.