Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour flip flopping re gender ideology in schools

29 replies

Leafstamp · 24/06/2024 15:55

Not sure if anyone else has been following this over the last two days...

Bridget Phillipson, the Shadow Education Secretary, was on the BBC yesterday, refusing to agree that she would keep the proposed ban on teaching gender identity ideology that is in the draft RSHE guidance. Labour avoids saying it will scrap proposed gender lessons ban - BBC News

However, today, Starmer has said that he won't allow gender ideology to be taught in schools.

Keir Starmer will not allow ‘gender ideology’ to be taught in schools (thetimes.com)

Clear as mud, huh? I don't trust them at all. Philipson's response to being asked about children's education and safeguarding was to talk about 'trans people'. 🙄 I would have thought that the Cass Review should have come above that.

Bridget Phillipson

Labour avoids saying it will scrap proposed gender lessons ban

Bridget Phillipson says draft guidance has some "good" parts but "other elements" are "too partisan".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxxx821l57go

OP posts:
Abeona · 25/06/2024 09:38

I'm canvassing most days for my very good, secretly GC Labour MP and I'm hearing more and more about this on the doorstep every day. A couple of weeks ago when we started it was potholes and the NHS and 'bloody Tories'. Now I'm getting more 'I don't want my child to be taught s/he's trans in school' and (sadly) 'I'm sick of all this LGBT+ shite at work'. I've lost count of the number of people on the board who've voted Labour in the past saying they're not planning to vote because no party represents their views and some cite Labour's 'women problem'. This isn't the marginal issue that Starmer had hoped. He has to come off the fence and make sure every MP and follows his line. I'm getting the feeling that women really have had enough. They're (mainly) the ones trying to feed and clothe and raise their families on a shoestring because of the COL and they're sick of being told to budge over and be kind to men.

BonfireLady · 25/06/2024 10:59

lcakethereforeIam · 25/06/2024 09:14

The Telegraph have a article on Starmer failing to be clear on gender ideology or gender identity. Treating them as two separate things. One can be taught, one not. Which, to me, throws the gates wide open. As neither are defined, if challenged they can just claim they're teaching whatever.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/24/starmer-vows-to-ban-gender-ideology-being-taught-in-schools/

https://archive.ph/EbKNt when is an ideology not an ideology? Don't ask Kier.

WTAF?

Not you Icake, Keir Starmer.

I don't mind whether he calls the belief in gender identity an ideology, a cult or simply a belief. Lots of different people use different words to describe it.

But it's a belief. It's not fact. Not everyone believes that we all have a gender identity.

As it's a contested belief, and we don't/shouldn't base laws on beliefs in secular countries, it has no place in schools.

BonfireLady · 25/06/2024 11:07

WarriorN · 25/06/2024 09:27

Well, Bridget has throw this dozy down so very clear that she's got no idea about being an effective and safe education minister

Bridget Phillipson says men with GRCs should be in women's toilets www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5104838-bridget-phillipson-says-men-with-grcs-should-be-in-womens-toilets

Urgh.

They are all believers in the concept of gender identity and are hellbent on bringing in laws that recognise it as fact.

Even Mr Moderate (Wes Streeting) clearly believes in it too, with his talk of "trans children" in parliament.

Whilst I fully accept that there will always be people who believe in it, I will never rollover and accept it being enforced on the country as a truth. Especially not in schools, where it introduces safeguarding risks to the most vulnerable children in particular.

They are worryingly oblivious to the number of lawsuits that will follow if they insist on keeping in the pipeline from schools to gender clinics. Following the Cass Report recommendations while upholding the confusing messaging that children are subject to in schools is beyond irresponsible.

I really hope enough parents are angry enough to fight hard on this. I'm fucking livid.

Sausagenbacon · 25/06/2024 11:11

Abeona · Today 09:38
I'm canvassing most days for my very good, secretly GC Labour MP
Just how useless is a secretly gc mp?
In Bristol Central, Debonnaire is (apparently- who knows?) Secretly Gc. And is also a good local mp.
But I won't vote for a woman who hasn't been in the open about this. Because this issue matters to me.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page