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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour Manifesto

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AstonUniRank · 13/06/2024 11:44

FWR relevant bits:

'Tackling violence against women and girls

For too long, violence against women and girls has been ignored. Our landmark mission to halve violence against women and girls in a decade will require a national effort. We will use every government tool available to target perpetrators and address the root causes of abuse and violence.
That starts with tougher enforcement and protection. With Labour, there will be specialist rape and sexual offences teams in every police force. The most prolific and harmful perpetrators will be relentlessly targeted, using tactics normally reserved for terrorists and organised crime.
Prosecution rates for rape are shamefully low with many victims dropping out of the justice system when faced with years of delays. Labour will fast-track rape cases, with specialist courts at every Crown Court location in England and Wales.
Victims deserve better support. Building on the success of the approach adopted by Labour Police and Crime Commissioners, we will introduce domestic abuse experts in 999 control rooms so that victims can talk directly to a specialist, and ensure there is a legal advocate in every police force area to advise victims from the moment of report to trial.
Violence and abuse against women and girls does not come from nowhere. Misogyny is one root cause, and therefore Labour will ensure schools address misogyny and teach young people about healthy relationships and consent. We will ensure police forces have the powers they need to track and tackle the problem.
Stalking has not been treated with the seriousness it deserves. Labour will strengthen the use of Stalking Protection Orders and give women the right to know the identity of online stalkers. Spiking is a devastating crime for victims, leaving many women feeling vulnerable when they go out. Labour will introduce a new criminal offence for spiking to help police better respond to this crime.
We will strengthen the rights and protections available to women in co-habiting couples, as well as for whistleblowers in the workplace, including on sexual harassment.'

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theilltemperedclavecinist · 13/06/2024 12:16

DameMaud · 13/06/2024 12:14

Where is the Beth Rigby quote from please, clavecinist?

Guardian is covering the questioning live. Comments are open!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2024 12:17

I'd make a bet that they won't allow trans comments.

DameMaud · 13/06/2024 12:18

theilltemperedclavecinist · 13/06/2024 12:16

Guardian is covering the questioning live. Comments are open!

Great! Thank you

theilltemperedclavecinist · 13/06/2024 12:21

DameMaud · 13/06/2024 12:18

Great! Thank you

Questions have just finished. Nothing about women's rights 😐

I enjoyed this though:

Q: [From Christopher Hope for GB News] Are you on course for a one-party socialist state? Is that a good thing? And are the Tories just claiming this to suppress the vote?

OhYoko · 13/06/2024 12:22

As a teacher I entirely disagree @mrshoho. I know lots of engaged and switched on 16 and 17 year olds. Okay, I know some not so sensible ones, but that's true of adults too.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 13/06/2024 12:27

@AstonUniRank too many posts to thank them all, so here's some flowers 💐

FallinUltra · 13/06/2024 12:29

It is not just an issue of whether 16-17 year olds are switched on and engaged. At that age, when the brain is neurologically still years away from being fully matured, all humans are more prone to black and white thinking, dividing the world into ‘goodies’ and ‘baddies’.
That is a huge political problem as it is, without adding to it with even younger voters.

Changed18 · 13/06/2024 12:29

I think when you start putting things that directly affect 18yos in your manifesto (national service, for example, from the Conservative manifesto), giving 16 and 17yos the vote is completely reasonable. They are the ones who might actually have to do it, after all.

ResisterRex · 13/06/2024 12:31

Changed18 · 13/06/2024 12:29

I think when you start putting things that directly affect 18yos in your manifesto (national service, for example, from the Conservative manifesto), giving 16 and 17yos the vote is completely reasonable. They are the ones who might actually have to do it, after all.

Yes let's reduce the age of marriage again then

hellointernet12 · 13/06/2024 12:32

They need to get all this gender ideology bullshit out of schools. I dont think gender identity even exists.

Like you're getting kids who genuinely believe they are cats. How is someone who thinks they are a cat gonna function in society. It's mad.

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/06/2024 12:32

ArabellaScott · 13/06/2024 11:53

It's me, by the way, namechange cockup.

Anyway, that's everything I could find that I thought relevant to FWR, broadly. If anyone else finds anything do stick it in the thread!

This may be of interest to mums:

'We will increase the engagement of young people in our vibrant democracy, by giving 16- and 17-year-olds the right to vote in all elections.'

Thanks for posting relevant info from the Conservative manifesto too👏

Both Tory and Labour manifestos have policies aimed at women that I like. Are they… fighting over us?

I could get used to women being seen as key target voters [/me preens]

illinivich · 13/06/2024 12:34

Bringing down the voting age is just a no cost headline grabber.

I hope they've thought about the implications, though. If 16 is old enough to vote, should anyone force them to be at school, should they be allowed to marry, drink?

By allowing 'switched on' 16 year ds to vote, it may lead to issues for other children.

DameMaud · 13/06/2024 12:36

theilltemperedclavecinist · 13/06/2024 12:21

Questions have just finished. Nothing about women's rights 😐

I enjoyed this though:

Q: [From Christopher Hope for GB News] Are you on course for a one-party socialist state? Is that a good thing? And are the Tories just claiming this to suppress the vote?

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Nothing about women's rights

A bit surprised (how are journalists chosen/invited for this I wonder? ) and disappointed by that🙄

Have started listening. Thanks so much for the pointer

DameMaud · 13/06/2024 12:37

And thanks too to Arabella for all of these manifesto threads and summaries. So helpful💐

cardibach · 13/06/2024 12:38

theilltemperedclavecinist · 13/06/2024 12:07

Q [From Sky’s Beth Rigby] There is nothing new in this. Rishi Sunak threw the kitchen sink at his manifesto. You won’t even take the safety catch off. Is this a Captain Caution manifesto?

Nailed it! This is such weak sauce - a shopping list of nice things with no real meat to it.

Except ...... they managed to promise a conversion ban and easy GRCs.

And what's with 'continue to support single-sex exceptions (sic)'?

She didn't nail it at all. She has t seen the manifesto then. And what she said about the tories' nonsense is biased rubbish.

Floisme · 13/06/2024 12:39

Thanks op, I will read and digest before I comment, other than that I do not support giving the vote to children as I think that's far too big a responsibility.

cardibach · 13/06/2024 12:40

Added to say the Rigby quote is from last night's debate. It's not lost manifesto. I remember her asking it.

cardibach · 13/06/2024 12:41

cardibach · 13/06/2024 12:40

Added to say the Rigby quote is from last night's debate. It's not lost manifesto. I remember her asking it.

Argh. Not POST manifesto.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 13/06/2024 12:43

cardibach · 13/06/2024 12:40

Added to say the Rigby quote is from last night's debate. It's not lost manifesto. I remember her asking it.

Then she's recycled her own question? Asked it 44 minutes ago at the Labour event.

Whatthechicken · 13/06/2024 12:47

Thanks for this. I wonder isn't there a massive conflict with the introducing a trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban and 'We will work to implement the expert recommendations of the Cass Review to ensure that young people presenting to the NHS with gender dysphoria are receiving appropriate and high-quality care.'

I thought PB were out for under 18s, and if the trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban, bans talking therapies - then what appropriate healthcare is left for under 18s?

PronounssheRa · 13/06/2024 12:48

GRC process to require a "specialist" doctor" , so not just a GP. That is I suppose marginally less terrible than I anticipated. But still seems open to gender GP style diagnoses for cash.

Yes. They will need to pin down what they mean by specialist very tightly to prevent abuse (they wont)

They have also committed to Implementing the Cass findings in full but also to introduce a trans inclusive conversion therapy ban, which is a hell of a circle they will need to square (and shows a lack of joined up thinking)

PronounssheRa · 13/06/2024 12:49

Cross post @Whatthechicken I agree

AstonUniRank · 13/06/2024 12:50

PronounssheRa · 13/06/2024 12:48

GRC process to require a "specialist" doctor" , so not just a GP. That is I suppose marginally less terrible than I anticipated. But still seems open to gender GP style diagnoses for cash.

Yes. They will need to pin down what they mean by specialist very tightly to prevent abuse (they wont)

They have also committed to Implementing the Cass findings in full but also to introduce a trans inclusive conversion therapy ban, which is a hell of a circle they will need to square (and shows a lack of joined up thinking)

I assume that will be people like Nottingham trans clinic. Deeply intertwined with WPATH.

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FriedGold32 · 13/06/2024 12:59

Whatthechicken · 13/06/2024 12:47

Thanks for this. I wonder isn't there a massive conflict with the introducing a trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban and 'We will work to implement the expert recommendations of the Cass Review to ensure that young people presenting to the NHS with gender dysphoria are receiving appropriate and high-quality care.'

I thought PB were out for under 18s, and if the trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban, bans talking therapies - then what appropriate healthcare is left for under 18s?

I've been wondering exactly the same. I think it speaks to the lack of joined-up thinking on this issue within Labour that nobody even seems to have considered this. Just slogans that sound good even when one contradicts another.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 13/06/2024 12:59

Whatthechicken · 13/06/2024 12:47

Thanks for this. I wonder isn't there a massive conflict with the introducing a trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban and 'We will work to implement the expert recommendations of the Cass Review to ensure that young people presenting to the NHS with gender dysphoria are receiving appropriate and high-quality care.'

I thought PB were out for under 18s, and if the trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban, bans talking therapies - then what appropriate healthcare is left for under 18s?

I think they'd really like to be able to give cross-sex hormones from much earlier (which in many ways could be medically less dangerous than prolonged puberty blockade). I asked my trans friends what conversion therapy is, and they said it's telling the kid they're not trans. 🤔

ETA the 'they' is TRAs, not the Labour Party. Mad as a box of frogs.

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