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Why are ITV lying about transmen in prisons?

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WifeOfTiresias · 11/06/2024 21:43

Just watched the latest episode of Emmerdale. Matty, the transman character, has been in court charged with a stabbing, and at the end is shown being transported to a men's prison surrounded by jeering men who will clearly be preying on them at the earliest opportunity.

But why has this been written into the plot? It simply isn't true that transmen are housed in male prisons - precisely because it isn't safe for them! Even the most basic research would have told the scriptwriters that this doesn't happen so what are they playing at? Looks like the latest attempt by soap writers to paint trans people as eternal victims. I seem to recall Hollyoaks had a transwoman in a female prison being beaten up by the "nasty" women - something that has never ever actually happened! Though the reverse has happened plenty of times and has been studiously ignored Angry

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TicklishLemur · 12/06/2024 21:06

RoyalCorgi · 12/06/2024 08:20

The first thing to note is that the numbers are tiny. According to this Telegraph piece on official data, there are 225 male-born transgender prisoners and 43 female-born transgender prisoners. These figures don't include prisoners with a GRC - apparently there are 13 of those in total.

The Telegraph story doesn't say where the female-born (ie trans men) prisoners are housed. But I don't think the Emmerdale writers have thought this through. Surely the central plank of transgender philosophy is that you are who you say you are? That if you are born female, and identify as a trans man, then you are a trans man and should be treated in every respect the same as those born male. If the character is a trans man, then surely they would be delighted to have their gender identity validated by being sent to a men's prison.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/28/prisons-now-housing-record-number-of-transgender-inmates/

I can’t say I watch emmerdale but I don’t think that is accurate for all trans-identified females. Some use gender neutral toilets (the single user ones) for fear of assault. They may be trying to live as men but many recognise they are female and at risk.

TicklishLemur · 12/06/2024 21:09

Chersfrozenface · 12/06/2024 16:05

I wish I could find the source but can't at the moment. However, I do know I read recently that there were no transmen in male prisons in England and Wales and one in a male prison in Scotland

Of course it’s in Scotland. God help her. Women in prison are already highly vulnerable and so are trans-identified females. But sure let’s throw her in with violent men.

Redshoeblueshoe · 12/06/2024 22:00

I'm sure I read on here that one transman was sent to a men's prison, and she was quickly removed for her own safety.

Karensalright · 12/06/2024 22:37

One guess where Scotland.

Redshoeblueshoe · 12/06/2024 22:45

I don't know where it was, I'm sure it wasn't specified.

Chersfrozenface · 13/06/2024 07:15

TicklishLemur · 12/06/2024 21:09

Of course it’s in Scotland. God help her. Women in prison are already highly vulnerable and so are trans-identified females. But sure let’s throw her in with violent men.

She would have asked to go to a men's prison. Insisted on it, in fact.

I've found the figures for March 2023, the most recent available, for Scotland.
12 trans women in the men’s estate
7 in the women’s estate
1 trans man in the men’s estate
3 trans men in the women’s estate.

The Scottish Prison Service has a Policy for the Management of Transgender People in Custody which I can't link to but which you can find by searching for the title.

TicklishLemur · 13/06/2024 09:25

Chersfrozenface · 13/06/2024 07:15

She would have asked to go to a men's prison. Insisted on it, in fact.

I've found the figures for March 2023, the most recent available, for Scotland.
12 trans women in the men’s estate
7 in the women’s estate
1 trans man in the men’s estate
3 trans men in the women’s estate.

The Scottish Prison Service has a Policy for the Management of Transgender People in Custody which I can't link to but which you can find by searching for the title.

My son requested we helped him to pick government implants out of his skin with a bread knife. Fortunately schizophrenia is recognised as a mental illness and is treated. If he had been asking to mutilate his genitalia then they’d have been encouraging him. Unwell people often commit self harm, whether as a coping mechanism or because they cannot recognise it. It is the responsibility of those caring for them to make compassionate decisions in their best interests. So the fact that the prisoner requested it doesn’t wash with me or make the prison service any less negligent in my eyes.

Chersfrozenface · 13/06/2024 09:33

TicklishLemur · 13/06/2024 09:25

My son requested we helped him to pick government implants out of his skin with a bread knife. Fortunately schizophrenia is recognised as a mental illness and is treated. If he had been asking to mutilate his genitalia then they’d have been encouraging him. Unwell people often commit self harm, whether as a coping mechanism or because they cannot recognise it. It is the responsibility of those caring for them to make compassionate decisions in their best interests. So the fact that the prisoner requested it doesn’t wash with me or make the prison service any less negligent in my eyes.

Well, quite.

However, with regard to the Emmerdale storyline, it is nonsense. A transman would not have been sent straight to a men"s prison in England, but to the women's estate.

MinnieCauldwell · 13/06/2024 09:48

All the way through this trans/Matty storyline Matty, previously Hannah, has been treated as male, Matty became a son to Moira, a husband to Kerry and described as a 'top bloke' and a 'hot guy'. Now Matty is clearly being viewed as female by Mum Moira and wife Kerry.
So transphonic! I think the script writers have got themselves into a bit of a pickle now.

Datun · 13/06/2024 09:51

Yes they're wrong, and presumably they're trying to make everyone feel sorry for the transman.

In reality they're yelling from the tree tops that transmen are women and therefore transwomen are men. And that it is the male sex who represent the danger.

I doubt it's deliberate, it's probably confused.

Or rather not in the least bit confused!

dad11122 · 13/06/2024 09:55

Maybe because it's a fictional soap and not a factual documentary?

OnceICaughtACold · 13/06/2024 09:56

WifeOfTiresias · 12/06/2024 12:03

I think what their storyline is actually demonstrating is that no matter how you might want to present yourself, when the chips are down biological sex really does matter. Which is not the message I think they are wanting to put across.

Exactly this!

Peskysquirrel · 13/06/2024 09:56

dad11122 · 13/06/2024 09:55

Maybe because it's a fictional soap and not a factual documentary?

No shit! And there's me and everyone else on this board thinking it was real life.

Thank goodness you turned up to put us right.

Chersfrozenface · 13/06/2024 09:58

It's "popular entertainment" pushing propaganda for gender ideology.

Only it's all gone a bit wrong for the propagandists.

dad11122 · 13/06/2024 10:58

@Peskysquirrel was there any need to be rude? I've simply posed a sensible response to the question asked in the original post.
Have a pleasant day,

WifeOfTiresias · 13/06/2024 11:00

dad11122 · 13/06/2024 09:55

Maybe because it's a fictional soap and not a factual documentary?

Emmerdale scriptwriters: Look at our new crusading storyline about how poor trans Matty is thrown to the mercy of a baying mob in a male prison! Trans people are the most oppressed ever!

Sensible people on MN: << check facts >>. Actually, in England transmen are by default sent to female prisons and are only transferred to the male estate at their own request and even then only after an extensive risk assessment process.

Emmerdale scriptwriters: ohhhh right....... yes, but it's not real you know!

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2024 11:43

@Peskysquirrel was there any need to be rude?

Well you were rude, so you tell us?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2024 11:44

And no it wasn't a "sensible response", it was fatuous.

Datun · 13/06/2024 12:02

🤣 you gotta laugh

Carebearsonmybed · 13/06/2024 12:07

It's indoctrination.

Change2banon · 13/06/2024 12:09

BackToLurk · 12/06/2024 10:34

Quite right too. Transmen are men after all. This is what equality looks like. Unless...

Exactly this ….

WifeOfTiresias · 13/06/2024 12:55

Latest news on Matty in the clink from last night's episode is reported phone conversation where they were staying in their cell and refusing to use the showers - now why could that be???

Interesting to see where this goes next.

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dad11122 · 13/06/2024 12:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2024 11:43

@Peskysquirrel was there any need to be rude?

Well you were rude, so you tell us?

That was not my intention, I'm sorry if that's how it was interpreted.

Christinapple · 13/06/2024 13:53

If it's relevant, a trans-teen girl used a male bathroom. She received a homophobic slur and was punched in the jaw causing her teeth to "explode".

We are all still waiting for JK Rowling to post about this horrific hateful violent attack.

https://x.com/LGBwiththeT/status/1799049805685264632

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-teen-minnesota-b2558292.html

TWETMIRF · 13/06/2024 13:56

Male on male violence is a problem, that doesn't mean that all the males who are at risk should be in the ladies toilets. It's horrible that this person was attacked but that isn't the fault of women.

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