Volunteer Police Cadets Transgender Policy

[Justme56]

https://vpc.police.uk/media/dk4elko2/18-transgender.pdf

This was highlighted by an ex-policeman on X. All sorts of everything here. However the scenario at the end is something else. I believe Cadets are aged 13-18 although the thread suggests they could be younger.

Christ.

God help this country if we ever end up in another world war 🙄

WTAF??!!

Ooh brilliant. Is the call for evidence on single sex spaces being misrepresented still open? Or did the General Election scupper it?

Any background on who consulted on this guidance? That scenario is pure red flag territory. Horrific to think they support this.

And of course, accommodation is to be gender based not sex based.

WTAF?!?!?!

Police cadets! Potential enforcers of the law being presented with inaccurate and illegal information that openly puts young women at risk. Evidently written by very self interested individuals determined to erode safeguarding and the rights of girls to privacy and safety from the opposite sex.
It's clear after a number of similar scandals that there are some very dodgy individuals at senior levels in the police force if they're signing off on this stuff.

yes. If our teenaged police cadets boundaries are lowered so that they cannot identify safeguarding risks that might put themselves at harm, how will they be able to understand other people’s safeguarding needs? Surely cadets is a place to get that kind of grounding ?

The scenario makes me feel sick. Terrible.

WRN have asked for submissions to be sent to WRN as well as the equalities hub, so that the valuable info isn't lost on purpose by a captured civil service or an incoming Labour government . I understand Kemi Badenoch's office okayed them asking.

I find WRN website a nightmare to navigate so can't point you at where to submit sorry.

"A Human Rights response would be to state that although the individual in question may have the body of a boy, they are in every other respect a girl and as such have the right under the Equality Act to change with the girls and to be treated fairly as such."

This is so awful. This boy apparently has the human right to see these girls' bodies if he wants to. To use them for validation. Their rights to privacy and dignity don't matter, and if they complain, they're to be framed as the problem.

Disgusting.

I'd love to know what they mean by 'every other respect' but already know it'd either be sexist nonsense or circular gobbledygook. As always.

And they are fucking wrong, wrong, that is not what the Equality Act says.

FFS they are so desperate to force girls/women to change in front of boys/men aren't they, why????

So boys get human rights but the girls don't get human rights. Like in Afghanistan.

I used to be a police cadet. I'm going back a few years mind, but even then, it attracted a lot of confused and problematic kids. Kids who joined just to fuck their parents off, kids who were attracted to the element of 'control' and 'respect' they felt they deserved. (In the same way that some folk are attracted to become full time officers because it can be a power trip)

It was all very inclusive, and blind eyes were turned towards a lot of problematic behaviour. It would always kick off on residential courses, and at times it felt more like community service than police cadets. Poor behaviour often went unchecked, and the gobshites ruled the roost. They knew how to 'play' the instructors.

At the time, there was a big push to get kids from disvantaged backgrounds into the police force. It was a way of winning hearts and minds among the part of society that had been traditionally wary of the law. Some of those kids thrived, but some shouldn't have been there. It was an eye opener.

Thankfully, I knew at least that when I went to my dorm in the evening, I was safe.

I dread to think what horrors lie ahead here.

I may have been supportive a few years ago if my own child wanted to join (with a few words of warning)

There is not a chance in hell that I'd let my daughter join the organisation now.

Thankfully, she's not interested.

I really hope a parent sues them. It's blatant discrimination against the girls and breaks safeguarding law.

Again - their explicit policy is boys get human rights and girls don't. Like Afghanistan.

Of course the boy in the scenario gets to stay, but the poor traumatised, pissed off girl gets yeeted out of her own space! Makes me fucking sick!

Actually what I'd really want to ask them is why they think boys and girls have separate dormitories and changing rooms. To state the reason for it.

It sure as hell isn't to put all the people with the same sort of gendered feelings in the same room. I've never had a gender identity believer tell me a reason for dividing facilities by gender other than 'validation'. No, girls' bodies aren't your props.

Apparently it's based on the Allsorts trans inclusion kit

I'll add my WTAF to others. WTAF!!!

Does someone have a link to that review PPs have mentioned? Wasn't it about exactly this, misrepresentation of the law?

Sex matters offers guidance on how to respond and the link to the government form: https://sex-matters.org/take-action/submit-evidence-of-bad-guidance/

Just when you think your flabber has been totally gasted, something else comes along 😱😱😱

After cheating in sports, this was the second thing which caught my attention a few years ago. Schools advice was that any girls who objected could change in a cupboard, or teacher's toilet cubicle.

I thought that "advice" had been scotched a couple of years ago?

Even the most avid activists struggled to defend one boy having the whole changing room to himself, whilst 29 girls tried to use a fucking closet.

The person "has the body of a boy" but is "in all other respects a girl". What "other respects"? The words boy and girl are descriptions of different types of bodies. What on earth are they talking about?

The animal had "the body of a giraffe", but is "in all other respects" a zebra. It is just word salad.