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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Volunteer Police Cadets Transgender Policy

34 replies

Justme56 · 03/06/2024 18:43

https://vpc.police.uk/media/dk4elko2/18-transgender.pdf

This was highlighted by an ex-policeman on X. All sorts of everything here. However the scenario at the end is something else. I believe Cadets are aged 13-18 although the thread suggests they could be younger.

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Ofcourseshecan · 03/06/2024 22:49

CorylusAgain · 03/06/2024 19:01

WTAF??!!

Do the police really not know that the Equality Act allows exemptions for single-sex spaces where appropriate, eg in changing rooms? I find that highly unlikely. In which case, why are they giving this inaccurate guidance?

Helleofabore · 03/06/2024 22:51

spannasaurus · 03/06/2024 21:34

Apparently it's based on the Allsorts trans inclusion kit

Thanks Spanna.

no wonder we see similar policies. They seem to be everywhere.

StealthSpinach · 04/06/2024 03:02

There is just an error message when clicking on the above link - has it been pulled?

FOJN · 04/06/2024 05:53

GailBlancheViola · 03/06/2024 20:00

And they are fucking wrong, wrong, that is not what the Equality Act says.

FFS they are so desperate to force girls/women to change in front of boys/men aren't they, why????

Well quite.

If the cadets are 13 - 18 then as it stands the male cadet cannot have a GRC so cannot be legally considered 'female' for any purpose.

They have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. But IIRC the correct comparator under those circumstances is another male. Even with that protected characteristic they can be excluded from female changing facilities if other males are excluded from female changing facilities.

To exclude a female cadet from female changing facilities in order to accommodate the wishes of a male cadet should be sex discrimination but its 2024!

Even if the cadet had a GRC they can still be excluded from female changing rooms through use of single sex exceptions outlined in the EA. Changing rooms are a specific example included in EA 2010 guidance produced by the EHRC.

TLDR: there is nothing unlawful about keeping men/boys with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment out of women's changing rooms.

teatimeplease · 04/06/2024 07:36

I'd love to know who signed off on this or if it's just a random cop writing the "policies" from their own views.

Iamnotalemming · 04/06/2024 10:49

This is really very troubling. Just reinforces the view that women are not as important as men according to the police force.

OldCrone · 04/06/2024 12:33

spannasaurus · 03/06/2024 21:34

Apparently it's based on the Allsorts trans inclusion kit

Yes, it's the Allsorts Trans inclusion toolkit from about 10 years ago. It's now been changed to remove that 'scenario', but I found an archive version here.
https://archive.is/cFE5e

GailBlancheViola · 04/06/2024 13:42

TemporalMechanic · 03/06/2024 19:57

"A Human Rights response would be to state that although the individual in question may have the body of a boy, they are in every other respect a girl and as such have the right under the Equality Act to change with the girls and to be treated fairly as such."

This is so awful. This boy apparently has the human right to see these girls' bodies if he wants to. To use them for validation. Their rights to privacy and dignity don't matter, and if they complain, they're to be framed as the problem.

Disgusting.

I'd love to know what they mean by 'every other respect' but already know it'd either be sexist nonsense or circular gobbledygook. As always.

It is truly fucking disgusting. No human rights for girls and women, no right to safety, privacy or dignity just shaming for not wanting to get undressed in front of a male. Hatred and denigration of girls and women on steroids.

ZeldaFighter · 05/06/2024 09:50

Their policy is potentially unlawful. This is copied from the gov.uk guide on implementing the Equality Act 2020 for transgender people:

Separate and single-sex services
In general, if you are an organisation that provides
separate or single-sex services for women and
men, or you provide your services differently to
women and men, you should treat transsexual
people according to the gender role in which they
present. However, in limited circumstances, treating
transsexual people differently may be lawful. You
will only be able to do this where you are fulfilling
a legitimate objective in a fair and reasonable way.

You will need to show that a less discriminatory
way to achieve your objective was not available. You
should therefore consider the type of service being
provided, the facilities available, the views of the
transsexual person, the stage of their transition and
the effect on other service users.

Example - A women’s sexual abuse crisis centre receives a request for support from
Alice, a transsexual woman. The centre
usually provides group support sessions,
but Alice is still in the early stages of
gender reassignment and the centre is
concerned that other female service
users might feel that her presence
affects the benefit of the group sessions
for them. The centre decides to offer
one-to-one support to Alice at home.
This different treatment is likely to
be lawful because it enables the crisis
centre to fulfil its legitimate objective
of providing all service users with a safe
and supportive counselling environment
in a fair and reasonable way.

Ironic that that is the example given, given Sarah's case in Brighton!

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