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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Starmer stabs anothe Black female Labour candidate in the back

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IwantToRetire · 30/05/2024 01:41

“I think the Labour Party… needs to be a broad church - from what I can see that’s happening, that’s becoming more difficult”

Faiza Shaheen, who was set to stand for Labour, says her candidacy was pulled over liking a series of Tweets which she claims Labour said would frustrate its campaign

Interview on newsnight shorty after learning she has been deselected.https://x.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1795942561258889318

It seems someone has been going through candidates tweet accounts going back years, even before they were officially part of Labour.

If these tweets were so awful how come they were ever chosen as candidates in the first place.

She had spend the afternoon canvassing with the support of the local party. https://www.faizashaheen.co.uk/

Faiza Shaheen — Labour Candidate for Chingford and Woodford Green

Official website for Faiza Shaheen, the Labour candidate for Chingford and Woodford Green.

https://www.faizashaheen.co.uk

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SofaThrow · 30/05/2024 08:40

As far as I am concerned, another disgusting anti-semite bites the dust. Good. Starmer is clearly working to make the party electable which has to be a good thing.

redboxer321 · 30/05/2024 08:40

But Diane Abbott also needs to go imo. She didn't say what she said in a heat of the moment chat or interview. It was a considered position she decided to publish in a newspaper. One that presumably took thought, drafting and review. How does anyone benefit by pitting minorities against each other?

Before you judge her, I think you've got to take into account the constant abuse DA has had to endure. Of course it doesn't help to pit minorities against each other - although I'm not convinced that is what she was trying to do - but try walking a mile in that woman's shoes. Even if it was a misjudgement to write that article, I think she can be forgiven.

As for Faiza, she looked shell-shocked during that interview.
Sadly, I can see Labour snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the GE.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 30/05/2024 08:43

I felt sorry for her watching the interview. Then they read out just one of the very recent tweets and I was horrified. Blatant antisemitism. She tried to shift the blame onto her newborn baby. She's a disgrace and deserves to be thrown out.

CwmYoy · 30/05/2024 09:00

MrTiddlesTheCat · 30/05/2024 08:43

I felt sorry for her watching the interview. Then they read out just one of the very recent tweets and I was horrified. Blatant antisemitism. She tried to shift the blame onto her newborn baby. She's a disgrace and deserves to be thrown out.

Exactly. She deserves all she gets. Dreadful behaviour.

CantDealwithChristmas · 30/05/2024 09:28

She's not Black, she's Brown. Half Pakistani, half Fijian. I wish I didn't have to point that out because frankly a person's immutable characteristics has NO RELEVANCE to their political stance. We non-white-British people are fed up of having our politics taken for granted, especially by the left wing. We're not puppets, nor an insensible voting bloc. We can do critical thinking too, who'da thunk it?

Shaheen does however have form for antisemitism and seems to think she's standing to represent Gaza rather than a constituency in the UK. utter crank, needs to go.

I'm starting to feel a grudging respect for Starmer. All I need now is for him to admit that he knows what a woman is, then he'll get my vote.

SofaThrow · 30/05/2024 09:34

CantDealwithChristmas · 30/05/2024 09:28

She's not Black, she's Brown. Half Pakistani, half Fijian. I wish I didn't have to point that out because frankly a person's immutable characteristics has NO RELEVANCE to their political stance. We non-white-British people are fed up of having our politics taken for granted, especially by the left wing. We're not puppets, nor an insensible voting bloc. We can do critical thinking too, who'da thunk it?

Shaheen does however have form for antisemitism and seems to think she's standing to represent Gaza rather than a constituency in the UK. utter crank, needs to go.

I'm starting to feel a grudging respect for Starmer. All I need now is for him to admit that he knows what a woman is, then he'll get my vote.

Excellent post and I am starting to feel the same.

PronounssheRa · 30/05/2024 09:37

I've just read one of the tweets she liked, its blatantly antisemitic. So no she shouldn't be standing for election.

BackToLurk · 30/05/2024 09:47

"a person's immutable characteristics has NO RELEVANCE to their political stance." @CantDealwithChristmas

This. It would nice if we could see a more general move away from identity politics from the Labour Party, which seems to have backfired, particularly over Gaza.

Abhannmor · 30/05/2024 12:42

redboxer321 · 30/05/2024 08:40

But Diane Abbott also needs to go imo. She didn't say what she said in a heat of the moment chat or interview. It was a considered position she decided to publish in a newspaper. One that presumably took thought, drafting and review. How does anyone benefit by pitting minorities against each other?

Before you judge her, I think you've got to take into account the constant abuse DA has had to endure. Of course it doesn't help to pit minorities against each other - although I'm not convinced that is what she was trying to do - but try walking a mile in that woman's shoes. Even if it was a misjudgement to write that article, I think she can be forgiven.

As for Faiza, she looked shell-shocked during that interview.
Sadly, I can see Labour snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the GE.

Hmm. Trying to pick out some positives ; a hung parliament might be a very good outcome. It would soften the cough of the tinpot control freaks in Starmers inner circle. Freezing out feminists and socialists might become a luxury.

And PR would be the price of Lib Dem support. Bit of a pipe dream I fear. More likely they'll get an overall majority. Then Reeves and Mortimer will muddle along with Austerity 2.0 until Reform/ Tories are ushered back in.

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They messed up. AV is a dogs breakfast. Cameron used them as a mudguard. Coalition is about red lines.

Blackcats7 · 30/05/2024 14:13

Anti semitism needs to be removed from the labour party.
Plus considering the appalling things tory mps have done and still be kept in their jobs I would prefer KS taking this approach.
I don’t believe her sex or the colour of her skin is the issue at all.
FS does not represent all women of colour any more than I represent all disabled women. People can and should be judged on their actions.

SofaThrow · 30/05/2024 14:22

I heard Owen Jones having a rant on LBC and claiming that Starmer was attacking women of colour. Bonkers.

CantDealwithChristmas · 30/05/2024 16:57

SofaThrow · 30/05/2024 14:22

I heard Owen Jones having a rant on LBC and claiming that Starmer was attacking women of colour. Bonkers.

"How dare Starmer attack women and try to ruin their livelihoods? Doesn't he know that's MY job?"

SofaThrow · 30/05/2024 17:58

CantDealwithChristmas · 30/05/2024 16:57

"How dare Starmer attack women and try to ruin their livelihoods? Doesn't he know that's MY job?"

Exactly! He suddenly knew what a woman was as well. The horror!

DramaLlamaBangBang · 30/05/2024 18:12

CantDealwithChristmas · 30/05/2024 09:28

She's not Black, she's Brown. Half Pakistani, half Fijian. I wish I didn't have to point that out because frankly a person's immutable characteristics has NO RELEVANCE to their political stance. We non-white-British people are fed up of having our politics taken for granted, especially by the left wing. We're not puppets, nor an insensible voting bloc. We can do critical thinking too, who'da thunk it?

Shaheen does however have form for antisemitism and seems to think she's standing to represent Gaza rather than a constituency in the UK. utter crank, needs to go.

I'm starting to feel a grudging respect for Starmer. All I need now is for him to admit that he knows what a woman is, then he'll get my vote.

Absolutely. It's offensive in the extreme to assume all brown or black people no matter their background are some kind of hive mind. It's infantalising and imperialistic. As if poor brown people are too stupid to make decisions about themselves. They are too stupid to know who to vote for.

SofaThrow · 30/05/2024 18:36

Certain types on the left really hate any black Tory MPs for the same reason. They are called all sorts of unmentionable names because they are SUPPOSED to be left wing. It's appalling.

IwantToRetire · 30/05/2024 18:38

A bit like the thread about Diane Abbot everyone reverts to making personal comments about a woman they have probably never heard of, and ramping up the rhetoric about anti semitism.

Just a reminder that many people who are Jewish and members of the Labour Party do no support this hijacking of the issue of anti semitism by the pro Zionist wing of the Labour Party.

Just as those acting as though they are part of the Salem Witch Hunt jury are fanatically abusing Diane Abbott for antisemitism, when only last night a resident of her borough who is a Rabbi was able to speak about her without venom about what has happened over the past year and wanted her to remain an MP.

And Jewish Voice for Labour wrote a statement saying " ... The withdrawal of the whip from Diane Abbott is yet a further attack on our freedom to debate very important issues in the Labour party. Her original letter was not antisemitic and the way some critics have rounded on her as if it were is cynical and unhelpful. ... " And yet some on here presume they have the right analysis.

And just for clarification using the word Black within a political context is quite common, just as Southall Black Sisters uses the word Black.

No doubt all of you would have no qualm if a new manager moved into your work place and so as to dish about nice jobs to their cronies starting trying to dig up dirt on people to get rid of them.

The point is Faiza Shaheen was selected as the official candidate in the last election, and did surprisingly well against a Tory "big beast". And has gone through the selection process with her local party and become their official candidate.

And then suddenly a tweet from however many years ago becomes this big issue just now, in time to dump her and like DA not give her enough time to consider standing as an independent. And yet wasn't important enough on two other occassions.

It makes the Labour Party look either totally corrupt or hopelessly incompetent.

Or even more grotesquely is cynically whipping up hysteria about anti semitism, because of the very real and serious situation in Gaza, for their own cheap political power grab.

But as a PP said, maybe there is a silver lining to this, ie that Labour will lose more votes than they could have got if they had behaved with integrity and transparency.

And no I am not a Tory, but someone like many others who is disgusted by the unscrupulous, underhand morals of Westminster.

How many of you, if it was announced that Rosie Duffield had been deselected, because of some email from years ago would say oh that's fair.

Would you all be applauding Starmer for being decisive and a good leader?

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TempestTost · 30/05/2024 18:40

BackToLurk · 30/05/2024 09:47

"a person's immutable characteristics has NO RELEVANCE to their political stance." @CantDealwithChristmas

This. It would nice if we could see a more general move away from identity politics from the Labour Party, which seems to have backfired, particularly over Gaza.

Yes.

There is a reason the LP is into gender ideology, and prone to antisemitism.

It's because those are where identity politics gets you.

SofaThrow · 30/05/2024 18:41

Or even more grotesquely is cynically whipping up hysteria about anti semitism, because of the very real and serious situation in Gaza, for their own cheap political power grab

Fucking hell. 🙄

IwantToRetire · 30/05/2024 18:44

SofaThrow · 30/05/2024 18:41

Or even more grotesquely is cynically whipping up hysteria about anti semitism, because of the very real and serious situation in Gaza, for their own cheap political power grab

Fucking hell. 🙄

Just as Suella Braverman did.

Really funny how women are able to talk really disparagingly about the Labour Party and it being captured when it is about GC women being piled on by them, but suddently think they are pure as pure on other issues.

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MrTiddlesTheCat · 30/05/2024 18:47

It was antisemitic. She admitted she knew it was antisemitic. She just disagrees that she should be held to account for it.

BackToLurk · 30/05/2024 18:48

What do you mean by the ‘pro-Zionist wing of the Labour Party’ @IwantToRetire

IdaPrentice · 30/05/2024 19:04

According to that article in Jewish News, it's about her own tweets, not accidentally liking something from years ago. She tweeted that a vote for her was a vote for Palestine. And as a thoughtful person quoted said, in that constituency Muslim and Jewish people used to be on good terms, so now is not a good time to put out such a divisive and tribal message.

SofaThrow · 30/05/2024 19:10

IwantToRetire · 30/05/2024 18:44

Just as Suella Braverman did.

Really funny how women are able to talk really disparagingly about the Labour Party and it being captured when it is about GC women being piled on by them, but suddently think they are pure as pure on other issues.

I am really not sure what your point is here but I think that the anti-semitism is absolutely real and alive and kicking in the Labour party. It's not 'hysteria' to point this out. I am glad that Starmer is weeding these people out. Good fucking riddance.