Twitter Thread - parent who used Gender GP reflecting on being treated by actual doctors who shock, horror, are practicing the recommendations in Cass.

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x.com/transkidsrule/status/1794326266793103850?s=46

Saddle up for a bumpy ride, jaw dropping in fact.

What Cass left out is what should be done about dealing with the parents of these kids who are about to be sterilised.

I wonder if in the future they will have to prove they followed medical guidance as was advised at the time, or they will be liable for investigation by social services.

Jesus Christ. She is butthurt that they ask about exploring autism, when her own X banner states that the boy has an autistic older sister- we all know there is a strong genetic component for autism, and autism is an extremely common co-morbidity when declaring a trans identity.

That poor boy who only can answer “I don’t know” while his engulfing mother tries to take over. Gender GP is infamous for prescribing PB to non-verbal children so it’s entirely possible this boy has never been directly talked to about his thoughts by medical professionals.

One of the comments:

"You’re pushing for their body to go serious, irreversible and life-altering artificial changes" That's you buddy. Male puberty is irreversible and life altering.

So, let me get this straight, when it comes to kids, "male puberty is irreversible and life altering"? Yet when it comes to athletes, male puberty is totally reversed once they go on hormones, erasing any athletic advantage over women? 🤔 Its not really adding up is it? The whole thing is a house of cards

Nothing about the entire “born in the wrong body” ideology makes sense, hence “no debate” / its supporters having hissy fits when they hit a dead end in their argument / “it’s too complex to explain”.

That poor child - they'll never get to change their mind, regret, back away. That parent has glued them into that identity.

Look at her username, she has co-opted her child as literally her whole identity. I'd imagine even if the child did want to desist at some point she would rage and blame others.

As a parent, I just don't understand how you would feel ok stunting your child's growth at 10 and never letting them go through puberty. Never letting them grow and mature, both physically and mentally, which is what happens at puberty. A synthetic hormone regimen, which is a crude approximation of what happens to the opposite sex, is not a valid subsitute. No one knows the long term outcome of this kind of "meddling". Literally, it's shooting in the dark. Its just mind boggling.

One thing we do know though is kids blocked at this stage of development will have significant issues with sexual function and probably won't even be able to have successful "bottom" surgery due to being pre pubescent for years. These are facts. Well done

Interesting point about the username. She’s already positioning her child as a victim of / at school.

I think this is the correct X thread on Nitter for those not on X.

https://nitter.poast.org/TransKidsRule/status/1794326266793103850#m

KeepTransKidsSafeAtSchool@TransKidsRule
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'My daughter and ourselves had our first appointment in the new gender services set up as a result of the Cass Review outlined here england.nhs.uk/commissioning…^^ Here are my reflections: 1/12

We drove for 3 hours to get to the location of the northern service. When we got there it was CAMHS. Nothing in the waiting room trans related. In the old Leeds GIDS they had info & support orgs. This waiting room screamed ‘your gender issues are a a mental health problem!’ 2/12

We met a Psychologist & therapist. Both seemed like nice people but their remit was pretty clear. It was what I was expecting but my husband isn’t on Twitter & doesn’t engage in ‘trans-activism’ but in this situation he felt anger. Anger at the NHS offering to our daughter. 3/12

My daughter hardly answered the questions. ‘Don’t know’ was a favourite response. She really didn’t want to be there. To be scrutinised. They had her notes so they knew we had gone with Gender GP & they reminded us that they didn’t advise this. I told them how happy she is. 4/12

I told them how if she hadn’t had blockers when she did, she would have refused to go to school, her mental health would have deteriorated and I feared for what might have happened. I told them that school and family have all supported her. She’s been lucky and part of that 5/12

luck is the realisation that she wasn’t going to get what she needed from the NHS. That the reason that we still attended this new appointment was to make sure she was still on their books & that she didn’t become a lost statistic or ‘desisted’. I wanted them to SEE her. 6/12

Several times it was reiterated to us that there isn’t enough evidence for the use of puberty blockers. I disagreed. We continued the appointment and they spoke to our daughter alone (she answered ‘don’t know’ 😆 again). Because of this they wondered if she was autistic 🙄. 7/12

While she was alone with them, we had to fill in some questionnaires. One was Strengths and Difficulties questionnaire, one was another mental health one, one was an anxiety related one and the fourth was aimed at parents coping with their child’s mental health problems. 8/12

The first two, I filled in but the last two were completely not applicable to us in any way. It would be nonsense to fill them in. The emphasis on exploratory therapy and watching and waiting were obviously the key aims of the service. 9/12

I asked whether we would be reported to SS for going private but they didn’t have any safeguarding concerns. They did seem to respect our decision without approving it in an official capacity. How can you look at a happy 15 year old girl and still think they should have 10/12

gone through male puberty? Our presence contradicted the whole philosophy behind the new gender services. We could have input into the service by volunteering to be part of parent advisory groups but would that change anything when we were not listened to up to this point? 11/12

We are left now waiting for the discussion about our daughter at the MDT meeting and a letter outlining what support they can offer her. Very little, I suspect 🤷🏻‍♀️ #TransRightsAreHumanRights and #TransKidsExist 12/12'

ETA number 11/12.

Wow! If her son really thought he was a girl and was the driver of the trans identity I'm fairly confident her son would have been coming out with more than just "don't know" answers.

I'd love to know what actual questions elicited a "don't know" answer from her child.

One of the replies:

'I took Lupron, the original puberty blocker, for endometriosis. Before Lupron I only had endometriosis. After Lupron I have bone death in both hips, brittle bones that break easy, multiple fractures in feet, hypothyroidism, and a non cancerous pituitary tumor.'

RMW has replied and people have tagged IW, ErinInTheMorn etc.

It's so clear reading the replies that this (puberty blockers) is still such a polarised issue (even after Cass). Maybe my hopes were futile, but I had hoped that the Cass report would be taken seriously by all. Yes, I'm an idiot and I don't understand what it is to be a true believer where evidence is not needed and faith alone will do.

I told them how if she hadn’t had blockers when she did, she would have refused to go to school, her mental health would have deteriorated and I feared for what might have happened.

So she thinks she knows exactly what would have happened if her child had been allowed to go through puberty? If he wasn't physically and mentally like a pre-pubescent child he might have had more to say than 'I don't know' in response to their questions.

Several times it was reiterated to us that there isn’t enough evidence for the use of puberty blockers. I disagreed.

She doesn't understand how scientific evidence works, does she?

One of the replies referred to this study from 1991.

https://www.jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567(10)60067-6/pdf

The link takes you to the whole paper, but here is the abstract.

'Mothers of Boys with Gender Identity Disorder:
A Comparison of Matched Controls
SONIA MARANTZ, PH.D., AND SUSAN COATES, PH.D.
Abstract. This pilot study compared mothers of boys with gender identity disorder (GID) with mothers of
normal boys to determine whether differences in psychopathology and child-rearing attitudes and practices could
be identified. Results of the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines and the Beck Depression Inventory revealed that
mothers of boys with GID had more symptoms of depression and more often met the criteria for Borderline
Personality Disorder than the controls. Fifty-three percent of the mothers of boys with GID compared with only
6% of controls met the diagnosis for Borderline Personality Disorder on the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines
or had symptoms of depression on the Beck Depression Inventory. Results of the Summers and Walsh Symbiosis
Scale suggested that mothers of probands had child-rearing attitudes and practices that encouraged symbiosis and
discouraged the development of autonomy. J . Am. Acad. Child Adolesc. Psychiatry, 1991, 30, 2:310-315. Key
Words: gender identity disorder, maternal psychopathology, Beck Depression Inventory, Diagnostic Interview for
Borderlines, symbiosis, autonomy, child-rearing practices.'

Several times it was reiterated to us that there isn’t enough evidence for the use of puberty blockers. I disagreed.

The sheer hubris of this comment.

That poor kid 😥

Yes, it's chilling. Plus the fact that this child is 15 and kept answering 'don't know' to the questions.

If I sign up for any sort of financial agreement, broadband subscription etc I have to be read the T&Cs (as a legal requirement), yet if I wanted healthy body parts cut off and synthetic hormones injected no one should question me or relay any side-effects?

I think one question these parents should be asked "are you going to take your child to a tattoo parlour today and let your child decide on a tattoo?".

My daughter hardly answered the questions. ‘Don’t know’ was a favourite response. She really didn’t want to be there. To be scrutinised. They had her notes so they knew we had gone with Gender GP & they reminded us that they didn’t advise this. I told them how happy she is. 4/12

DS is 9. As part of his assessment with ADHD he had to do a test without any parents present.

Just saying that the difference is interesting.

How can you assess whether a child is under undue pressure and influence or not when Mum answers for you?

God how absolutely awful. Just fucking awful. My heart breaks for that poor child.

As BPD is a very common misdiagnosis of autism in women and girls I wonder if this is more indication of autism being a factor in gender issues.

Heard a talk given by a member of AMANDA which is a Spanish organisation for parents concerned for their gender confused children. Apparently when assessing a child /teenager for autism, gender dysphoria is one of the markers. I had not seen this expressed like that before.

Does anyone know the theory behind the link between autism and gender dysphoria? I have read many times about links but don't think I have ever read why there is a link. Or what the working theory is.

Results of the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines and the Beck Depression Inventory revealed that
mothers of boys with GID had more symptoms of depression and more often met the criteria for Borderline
Personality Disorder than the controls. Fifty-three percent of the mothers of boys with GID compared with only
6% of controls met the diagnosis for Borderline Personality Disorder on the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines
or had symptoms of depression on the Beck Depression Inventory. Results of the Summers and Walsh Symbiosis
Scale suggested that mothers of probands had child-rearing attitudes and practices that encouraged symbiosis and
discouraged the development of autonomy.

53% v 6%

Very interesting. The bit about child rearing practices that encouraged symbiosis and discouraged the development of autonomy reminds me of that court case about a little boy whose overbearing mother was determined he was a girl. The judge had some words re the teachers and others involved iirc and the boy was sent to live with his father. I do hope he has grown into a happy young man now.

I also often wonder how such a case would pan out now compared to then, even with the same judge. I'm not confident the boy would be saved now and I think a lot of things that were said would/could not be said now.
I'll look for the link for anywho doesn't know what I'm talking about.

So when these kids end up in continent, with crumbling bones, premature menopause, Lord knows what else will be found over time - that’s being in right body?

Here it is. From 2016

As I said, I do wonder how such a case would pan out now.

www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

My own theory is that the human race has a reached peak stupidity. It’s all decline from here until the cockroaches take over.