Finally! Keeping children safe in education has been updated!

[WarriorN]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6650a1967b792ffff71a83e8/Keepingchildrennsafeinneducation_2024.pdf

Consultation linked by sex matters on X.

I really cannot see how Labour could make part of KCISE statutory, and other parts not.

The whole point, is that it is all statutory.

Likewise, I would be super surprised if the changes were scrapped for September. Education is a behemoth, it takes forever to turn.

My MAT has already had a focus session with the school leaders, on what they need to include in the September inset programme, and how they are going to train us in it all.

10,000 staff received this today, that's a hell of a double back, if it is changed.

I may well be wrong, but I can't see how this can be turned around - the Labour manifesto stated that they will work to implement the Cass recommendations (OWTTA)

Yes I was a little disappointed with the cass review as I feel it didn’t go far enough. It still supports puberty blockers as part of a clinical trial for certain groups of children. However, on balance I appreciate that they had to be practical considering where we were starting from and it will protect a lot of children.

Once the research has been done and proves the dire consequences the government will be well placed to ban their use completely for gender questioning children. I just feel anguished for the children who will be sacrificed for research purposes. Especially as they are likely to be the most vulnerable - early onset gender distress (suggestive of sexual abuse or other severe forms of trauma) and affirming parents incapable or unwilling to do the right things to address their child’s mental illness.

I really cannot see how Labour could make part of KCISE statutory, and other parts not.

@WeMeetInFairIthilien only kcsie is going to be statutory at the moment in September.

Everything else - the gender questioning children guidance particularly, isn't in place yet and nor will it be statutory (though schools would have to follow it given it's in kcsie.)

For example, it still doesn't state in kcsie that single sex toilets are part of safeguarding. It's the law yes, but they've not emphasised the safeguarding aspect.

Labour could easily forget the rest. I was shocked how much basically disappeared within education over night when the tories got in.

Kcsie is statutory so they'd have to legally challenge/ change it I believe.

Ah yes, I see what you mean.

I was only saying that I think KCISE will stay as written.

I share that anguish. But I am cautiously optimistic that no matter how deeply the dodgy adults are embedded in the LP, the emerging data demonstrates appalling outcomes for so many children and young people. The sense of self preservation is strong in many politicians and as it becomes apparent that they chose the wrong side of history in promoting sterilisation and bodily harm in young people, there will be a change of direction.
I hope.

Me too. I hope my grandkids will look back on this in the future and it will be a thing of the past seen akin to lobotomy. Fingers crossed very very few children will be granted use for the purposes of the research and once early results come out it is all halted and they are given the compassion care they deserve.

Thank you so much! Really appreciate your time here. 🙏

Bridget Phillipson on bbc with Laura K this morning admitting aspects of this guidance will be reviewed. There we have it. Fuck u Labour.

Wonder what that means? They'll continue to give trans lobby groups unrestricted access to schools to carry on gaslighting children that they've been born in the wrong body but a sex change will cure them?
Or they've read and understood Cass and will continue to restore safeguarding and remove Stonewall's sticky tentacles from schools?

Aspects of keeping children safe in education?

I've just watched; she's commenting on the draft guidance for gender questioning children

She's not saying she's chucking it all out. She wouldn't commit to details

I'll bet she won't. It will be interesting to see what Labour propose as the current draft lays outs some basic principles very clearly that will be difficult to overturn.

We are in for the worst time as parents with them. I'm absolutely dreading it.

I see she dropped #culturewars into her spiel, despite framing her main concern as the safeguarding of children.

Which is it?

Or they've read and understood Cass and will continue to restore safeguarding and remove Stonewall's sticky tentacles from schools?

I long for the day when the LP come out with this statement.

Schools are going to be left without clear guidance to follow for who knows how long. And what will it look like once reviewed yet again?

Thanks @mrshoho
here’s the clip
https://x.com/mrsnickyclark/status/1804807512207536313?s=46&t=aj_daoQ4ub5R9J5oRcQ5qA

Linking in my comment from another thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5100697-gmn-labour-manifesto-response?reply=136231049&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

In short, it looks like the language that explains that gender identity is a contested belief and/or a belief that not everyone holds will be quietly removed because it's seen as problematic 🤦‍♀️
She has bought in to the idea that trans people's existence is connected to us all believing that everyone has a gender identity. No Bridget, they are people who exist regardless of whether we share their belief. "Trans" simply means someone who believes that they have an inner gendered soul/essence that differs from their sex. It's not "anti-trans" if I don't share their belief or say that I don't want my children being forced to accept genderist beliefs as facts.

Presumably because "gender identity" will be added to the statute books via their stupid "fully inclusive conversion therapy ban". Which is enabled by them NOT committing to implementing Cass "in full". They will cherrypick Cass. Ideally they'd have buried it.

Getting "gender identity" into law by hook or by crook is the aim. We should be very clear-eyed about this and what the consequences will be for women and children's safety, and for everyone's rights to the truth and to be able to access, know and speak the truth.

Also "take the heat out"

I don't think she understands what the teaching of gender identity is - sexist stereotypes and what banning it means.

She's deflected on to "trans people exist."

Cass describes how parental ideas about gender and sex influences children's ideas; ie, if they are ott about gender stereotypes. Unfortunately I don't think Cass included how schools can confuse things too by teaching confusing ideas about gender?

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Finally! Keeping children safe in education has been updated!

And Labour will not implement it.

That is, they specifically will not implement the suggested guidance against teaching gender identity, (but saying gender identity is a belief).

That was made clear ( amid obfuscating) by Bridget Phillipson on Laura Kienssberg this morning when Laura asked her about that.

There is a post about it by @BonfireLady on one of the treads, including a video clip from the interview. The thread is one of those about Labour’s policies. It also links what Baroness Foster and Denis Kavanagh each say about the interview.

I am so sorry, @ BonfireLady, how did I miss that you’d already come on here to explain this!

Anyway, thank you @WarriorN snd @BonfireLady .

All good @ScrollingLeaves

On a related note...

There are lots of different documents in various different stages of flight and it's easy to get lost. I previously got confused on the difference between the 2025 consultation and the imminent 2024 KCSIE guidance. I then got confused again on whether the 2024 KCSIE guidance was in a finalised state or not, ahead of its publication on 1st September 2024.

Without safeguarding-centred leadership, and a clear line to the Cass Report, from the next Education Secretary, its going to be very easy for lots of good progress on all of the in-flight documents to slip away in to the ether... I had always been sceptical of Bridget Phillipson in this regard. Today's interview has underlined why that's warranted.

I really hope that the timing of the dissolution of parliament and teachers being on summer holidays makes it unlawful/impossible for any material changes to be made to the forthcoming 2024 KCSIE guidance before 1st September. Even with the very real possibility that Bridget Phillipson removes some of the key wording in the Gender Questioning Children guidance, the 2024 KCSIE guidance provides significant safeguarding protection at a statutory level. On the one hand, she's no less dangerous than Gillian Keegan (who also still clearly believes that everyone has a gender identity) but the big difference is that she won't be tempered by non-believers in the next government if/when Labour gets in. Wes Streeting is also clearly a believer, with his talk of "trans children" when discussing the Cass Report in parliament on 15th April.