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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Finally! Keeping children safe in education has been updated!

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WarriorN · 25/05/2024 12:04

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6650a1967b792ffff71a83e8/Keepingchildrennsafeinneducation_2024.pdf

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WarriorN · 25/05/2024 12:06

Transgender trend tweet:

x.com/transgendertrd/status/1794313243537858910?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

KCSIE is the key DfE guidance that needed changing👏👏

Section on 'LGBT children' is dropped.

New section advises caution, following #CassReview recommendations.

Highlights the vulnerabilities of these children and importance of working with parents.

gov.uk/government/pub…

Finally! Keeping children safe in education has been updated!
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WarriorN · 25/05/2024 12:07

Screenshot attached to tweet

Finally! Keeping children safe in education has been updated!
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MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/05/2024 12:12

What a relief and such good news. A thoughtful and nuanced section in contrast to the previous ignorant section shamefully written by a trans activist group (Stonewall)

WarriorN · 25/05/2024 12:43

For those that don't know; KCSIE is statutory safeguarding policy for schools.

It is updated based on evidence and case review that define specific risks to children in order for plans to be made to safeguard children. These are inspected by Ofsted and it's an instant fail if they find that safeguarding is in any way compromised and schools do not adhere to the statutory guidance.

Prior to this the para 205 included T.

This guidance has firmly separated the LGB from the T.

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WarriorN · 25/05/2024 12:44

And was lobbied for by Nancy Kelley of stonewall.

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WarriorN · 25/05/2024 12:51

Previous wording

  1. The fact that a child or a young person may be LGBT is not in itself an inherent risk factor for harm. However, children who are LGBT can be targeted by other children. In some cases, a child who is perceived by other children to be LGBT (whether they are or not) can be just as vulnerable as children who identify as LGBT.

Risks can be compounded where children who are LGBT lack a trusted adult with whom they can be open. It is therefore vital that staff endeavour to reduce the additional barriers faced and provide a safe space for them to speak out or share their concerns with members of staff.

LGBT inclusion is part of the statutory Relationships Education and Relationship and Sex Education and Health Education curriculum and there is a range of support available to help schools counter homophobic, biphobic, and transphobic bullying and abuse.

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WeirdButFuckingBeautiful · 25/05/2024 14:13

And trans has gone, it is gender questioning. Fantastic.

StealthSpinach · 25/05/2024 22:24

So there is no wiggle room to say it is only “recommended” or just “guidelines” that can be ignored?

RoseHedgehog · 25/05/2024 23:25

Fanatics love the idea of victories being declaimed from gantries in the street, surrounded by euphoric, applauding crowds.

Real victories are cold and dull like this, quietly entered by clerics into the record books of history. This is how the establishment turns the rudder.

Codlingmoths · 25/05/2024 23:27

I hope these changes survive a new government

WarriorN · 26/05/2024 08:42

It would be hard to remove what has been written as it's evidenced based and referred to the Cass review.

However, it doesn't mention the law regarding toilets - safety for girls and also what should be done with a gender questioning child re toilets. The proposed guidelines did but who knows if they'll go through now

It is however safeguarding children who are gender questioning by not treating it as a given and recognising that there can be driving factors

It involves parents which is good. However some parents are vehemently for transition.

And Cass doesn't fully rule out transition.
It's better than it was but still some way to go.

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MsGoodenough · 26/05/2024 19:04

This is fantastic news! Will be highlighting to my SLT after half term.

MsGoodenough · 27/05/2024 08:48

I suspect the activist groups will latch on to the fact that it is under review pending the results of the consultation. My school uses Equaliteach and their advice on the gender questioning and rse guidelines is 'it's out for consultation, don't change anything'. I suspect their advice on this will be 'it's under review, don't change anything'.

Which raises a question for me: if it's under review, how can it also be statutory? I'd like a response ready for when my school pushes back with the line Equaliteach have fed them.

21andon · 27/05/2024 08:56

MsGoodenough · 27/05/2024 08:48

I suspect the activist groups will latch on to the fact that it is under review pending the results of the consultation. My school uses Equaliteach and their advice on the gender questioning and rse guidelines is 'it's out for consultation, don't change anything'. I suspect their advice on this will be 'it's under review, don't change anything'.

Which raises a question for me: if it's under review, how can it also be statutory? I'd like a response ready for when my school pushes back with the line Equaliteach have fed them.

This version of KCSIE won’t be statutory until September. That’s always when it changes / is updated.

ResisterRex · 27/05/2024 09:06

Gender group sends LGBT books to schools in protest

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ba50a48a-b402-467b-94aa-0c76c3662acf?shareToken=6445e91d8920fac52366a67844c29f30

mrshoho · 27/05/2024 09:26

This is really good news. So from September this should be part of our Safeguarding policy that we will have updated training on and all staff must sign to say they understand and will follow? I do hope so. All schools should be acting in unison instead of the postcode lottery system. So will stonewall and others be following the same?

MsGoodenough · 27/05/2024 09:39

It could all be scrapped by Labour by then...

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/05/2024 09:40

MsGoodenough · 27/05/2024 08:48

I suspect the activist groups will latch on to the fact that it is under review pending the results of the consultation. My school uses Equaliteach and their advice on the gender questioning and rse guidelines is 'it's out for consultation, don't change anything'. I suspect their advice on this will be 'it's under review, don't change anything'.

Which raises a question for me: if it's under review, how can it also be statutory? I'd like a response ready for when my school pushes back with the line Equaliteach have fed them.

I reckon we just have to keep citing Cass - that there's a massive medical and psychological experiment being inflicted on children with growing evidence that it's causing considerable harm and that schools should avoid getting caught up in any of it now - if only to protect the school and individuals from the accusations that will follow as children discover changing sex is impossible and they've been led down a false path?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/05/2024 09:46

ResisterRex · 27/05/2024 09:06

He's got a grift to maintain. A man with zero psychology, education or medical qualifications in children or changing sex has made a good living out of persuading very young children that their bodies are wrong but a sex change can fix them along with presenting queer theory to primary children.

No school should be entertaining him or his publications anywhere near children. Transgender Trend has the measure of him:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/olly-pike-popnolly-queer-theory-children/

Olly Pike: the Pop’n’Olly brand of queer theory for children - Transgender Trend

There were reports in the Times and the Mail today about a new book by Olly Pike which teaches queer theory and gender identity to 8-11 year-old schoolchildren. This post by Shelley Charlesworth analyses the full range of schools books and videos from...

https://www.transgendertrend.com/olly-pike-popnolly-queer-theory-children

WarriorN · 27/05/2024 09:48

MsGoodenough · 27/05/2024 09:39

It could all be scrapped by Labour by then...

As it's based on evidence from Cass they'd have to provide alternative evidence.

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WarriorN · 27/05/2024 09:54

It's effectively safeguarding law rather than education policy / curriculum

As streeting is being open about the importance of Cass and iirc Phillipson (shadow Ed sec) welcomed the Cass review im hopeful it will be left alone. Maybe I'm being naive but they'd have to have damn good reasoning ti reverse it.

A significant issue is that single sex loos are not defined despite one rape a day occurring on school premises. The actual guidance for gender questioning children is woolly. No idea what will happen to multiple pride clubs with LGBT flags.

But it's a good start to separate the T from the lgb and to cite Cass.

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mrshoho · 27/05/2024 09:59

A significant issue is that single sex loos are not defined despite one rape a day occurring on school premises.

no matter how many times I read this statement I am always shocked. It is a terrible fact of life.

WarriorN · 27/05/2024 10:15

I too, I told a friend this at week and she was shocked that she wasn't aware (social worker) and I had to go off and google it to double check.

It's cited in this document.

Which is also manifesto for the banning of smart phones for children tbh.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/67953/html/#:~:text=A%20recent%20BBC%20freedom%20of,day%20in%20a%20UK%20school

A recent BBC freedom of information requestst found that 5500 sexual offences in schools including 600 rapes had been reported to police during a three year period. Taking into account the average length of the school term in the UK, this amounts to one rape reported per day in a UK school. We know that on average just 15%5% of rapes are reported to police, with the figure even lower (just 10%) in studieses_ of female students, suggesting that the problem may be much greater in reality*.

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IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 27/05/2024 17:14

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/05/2024 09:46

He's got a grift to maintain. A man with zero psychology, education or medical qualifications in children or changing sex has made a good living out of persuading very young children that their bodies are wrong but a sex change can fix them along with presenting queer theory to primary children.

No school should be entertaining him or his publications anywhere near children. Transgender Trend has the measure of him:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/olly-pike-popnolly-queer-theory-children/

Well this man is clearly a fucking weirdo who doesn't belong within 20 feet of children, isn't he?

Rainyblue · 28/05/2024 09:01

Yes I would like there to be guidance on single sex toilets.
DS’s school has a policy that trans students can use the toilet of their preferred gender which I disagree with and if it was outlined in KCSIE that this was dangerous for female students I would think they would have to change it?

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