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May2024 · 25/05/2024 08:20

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13458273/Edinburgh-Rape-Crisis-Centre-trans-row-employment-case.html

It was a post which was expressly advertised as being for women only but, three years ago this month, a biological male was installed in it. It required a compassionate figure to lead a charity providing a 'safe space' to help rape victims get through the worst experience of their lives.

The successful candidate was bullish and strident. Mridul Wadhwa labelled rape victims bigots and transphobes if they doubted whether a man identifying as a woman should run a centre helping women recover from male violence.

Blimey Daily Mail!

What an amazing article! I think I may be slightly in love with Jonathan Brocklebank!!

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ArabellaScott · 25/05/2024 12:35

SofaThrow · 25/05/2024 12:24

Did he not lie about having a GRC?

I'd imagine discrimination and harassment would be considered gross misconduct and sackable grounds by most.

ResisterRex · 25/05/2024 12:42

WaterThyme · 25/05/2024 12:12

While I fully agree Wadhwa should never have been appointed on the grounds of being a man, it’s not that easy to sack someone unless there is a clear breach of contract.

in Wadhwa’s case the board that appointed MW clearly thought it was within the articles of ERCC to do so, so they can’t easily claim now that it isn’t.

The board, young, inexperienced and of a GI perspective as we know, would have to be very clear as to how MW had breached either the organisation’s remit or the job remit.

Presumably directing staff not to help women access rape services is a breach? As a bare minimum in this dystopian nightmare.

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 25/05/2024 13:08

Perfect28 · 25/05/2024 08:39

No. Please don't read or share the daily fail.

I wasn't going to bother as I know far more about MW than I want to but you've made it sound exciting so I'm off to click

#readbannedbooks 😃

Timeisstiking · 25/05/2024 13:22

Didn’t see this in the guardian

'Up until that point I was like everybody else, live and let live', she said with her voice shaking.

'Ten is the number of years it's been since I was brutally beaten and raped by a trans identified male. One time it took to change my mind. To open my eyes as see how our rights and protections are being eroded away.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13445629/amp/raped-transgender-woman-lgbt-oklahoma-tulsa.html

Feminist campaigner reveals rape by transgender woman

The woman, who gave her name as 'Kay', recounted her experience at a Let Women Speak event in Oklahoma, which has found itself on the front line of the battle over trans rights.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13445629/amp/raped-transgender-woman-lgbt-oklahoma-tulsa.html

JaniceBattersby · 25/05/2024 13:29

I’m in the newspaper industry. The Mail has a good reputation among journalists (even left wing ones!) for putting loads of resources into decent, comprehensive reporting on local stories from across the country, for campaigning for transparency and for always fighting those who seek to silence dissenting voices. They are also one of the only papers who pay local journalists a decent price for their work and are able to put their huge resources into investigating our stories when our resources run out.

If you look at the editorial line on the website (not the paper - that’s a different entity) it’s swung wildly to the centre right in the past three years. Think about the last time you saw a migrant story as their top story on the website.

We all know they’re not perfect but at least they stick up for women, and have done since the beginning of the gender mess.

ArabellaScott · 25/05/2024 13:35

Possibly to do with the majority female readership.

https://www.gale.com/intl/essays/adrian-bingham-womans-realm-daily-mail-female-readers

SofaThrow · 25/05/2024 13:46

We all know they’re not perfect but at least they stick up for women, and have done since the beginning of the gender mess

Yes and thank god for that.

Feckedupbundle · 25/05/2024 14:00

Ha ha ha,fancy coming on here and telling women what they can and can't read! And even worse, being more outraged about the paper accurately reporting this absolute scandal,than about the horrific details themselves.
Amazing! And not in a good way....

Rightsraptor · 25/05/2024 14:08

I can't recall the exact details but I'm sure we knew some time back that Wadwha had lied on the application form for ERCC (and possibly the post before that?), which is grounds for dismissal for ordinary mortals.

ArabellaScott · 25/05/2024 14:33

Rightsraptor · 25/05/2024 14:08

I can't recall the exact details but I'm sure we knew some time back that Wadwha had lied on the application form for ERCC (and possibly the post before that?), which is grounds for dismissal for ordinary mortals.

He applied for a post that was restricted to females only.

ResisterRex · 25/05/2024 15:06

Janice! Good to see you round these parts again. Really good point about local reporting too, which has almost been decimated over the last ten years or so, it seems.

toomanytrees · 25/05/2024 17:27

Does anyone know if/how the establishment of Beira's place has affected the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

BreatheAndFocus · 25/05/2024 17:37

ArabellaScott · 25/05/2024 14:33

He applied for a post that was restricted to females only.

Yes, and deliberately. I can’t understand why that isn’t a sackable offence. What kind of man pushes into a space where he’s not wanted?

BreadInCaptivity · 25/05/2024 18:25

toomanytrees · 25/05/2024 17:27

Does anyone know if/how the establishment of Beira's place has affected the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

BP by all accounts is doing good work and is attracting at lot of referrals.

I'd be very surprised if that hasn't dented the number of people accessing the ERCC.

As for MW the tribunal verdict was damning.

The board have literally everything right there to proceed with a charge of gross misconduct.

The fact they have not done this speaks volumes and demonstrates that the their conduct in both hiring and refusing to fire MW falls woefully short of what women using the service have a right to expect.

The whole organisation is rotten to the core.

Needmoresleep · 25/05/2024 19:11

I believe the Mail has the largest readership of any newspaper in the UK.

To suggest that reading it puts you beyond the pale suggests an extraordinary arrogance on the part of some posters.

It is reasonable to assume that the majority in our stable democracy are socially conservative, and will want both newspapers and politicians who reflect this. Politicians ignoring the needs and priorities run a huge risk of losing voters to persusive orators, perhaps Trump, perhaps Farage. Someone who says what people want to hear when their natural representatives are not listening.

Most voters want politicians who are honest, and who are brave enough to acknowledge biological sex.

Some posters will not like the Mail, or Sunak. Fine. Don’t read the newspaper or vote for the party. But don’t demonise them. They exist within an open democracy. Instead consider why people are not reading the Guardian (and why so many great feminist writers are popping up in the Mail.) Consider why so many natural Labour voters on this board are so reluctant to vote for Starmer.

A small tip. Telling people what they should read or how they should vote won’t work.

birchtreeglow · 25/05/2024 23:46

Unbelieveable that Mridul Wadhwa is still there. Didn't he say that he doesn't have a GRC because he transitioned in India?

I know it's Wiki, but I don't quite understand something. Mridul was born in 1978, ran a business with husband. I guess that means a same-sex union and not a legal marriage since same-sex marriage is not legal in India.
Lived in Pune until 30, before coming to UK, which would be 2008, but got a degree from Edinburgh Uni in 2005.

Given his comments about women and rape I'm wondering if the Home Office/Police/DBS did any background checks - previous name(s), convictions etc?

WhatWillSwingIt · 25/05/2024 23:57

I think the article using ‘me’, ‘she’ and ‘her’, muddies the waters of the rights and wrongs of the situation.

WhatWillSwingIt · 25/05/2024 23:57

Ms not me

Faffertea · 26/05/2024 09:16

I agree using he would have been better but I don’t know how much papers are still bound by IPSO guidelines and what would be the consequence of breaching them.

I also wonder if it doesn’t make a point in and of itself, that despite no GRC and everything he has done Wadhwa still has to be referred to as she in the press.

Re the not declaring GRC, I thought it was at Forth Valley he didn’t declare his trans status- there’s a quote of him saying no one asked and he didn’t tell because it’s not relevant.

I know employers etc are t allowed to ask to see a GRC generally. Does anyone know if that is different if it’s a job using SSE?

SammyScrounge · 26/05/2024 20:36

Perfect28 · 25/05/2024 08:39

No. Please don't read or share the daily fail.

Don't.be silly. It's a good article , supporting rape.victims a nd it will.teach. a wide audience.
The Mail I'd right on this instance and women need all the support they can get

mirax · 26/05/2024 20:54

Perfect28 · 25/05/2024 09:00

Nevermind the facism and lies.

So silly. Unserious comments like these point to you being the classic Guardian reader.

UtopiaPlanitia · 26/05/2024 20:56

Needmoresleep · 25/05/2024 19:11

I believe the Mail has the largest readership of any newspaper in the UK.

To suggest that reading it puts you beyond the pale suggests an extraordinary arrogance on the part of some posters.

It is reasonable to assume that the majority in our stable democracy are socially conservative, and will want both newspapers and politicians who reflect this. Politicians ignoring the needs and priorities run a huge risk of losing voters to persusive orators, perhaps Trump, perhaps Farage. Someone who says what people want to hear when their natural representatives are not listening.

Most voters want politicians who are honest, and who are brave enough to acknowledge biological sex.

Some posters will not like the Mail, or Sunak. Fine. Don’t read the newspaper or vote for the party. But don’t demonise them. They exist within an open democracy. Instead consider why people are not reading the Guardian (and why so many great feminist writers are popping up in the Mail.) Consider why so many natural Labour voters on this board are so reluctant to vote for Starmer.

A small tip. Telling people what they should read or how they should vote won’t work.

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