Cathy Newman presses Labour on self ID

[WarriorN]

On times radio. You can hear the interview and total lack of clarity here:

https://x.com/cathynewman/status/1794051906651791623?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

She also tags JKR in

Love her post!

Can someone explain to me how single ‘biological’ sex spaces can be provided if all records of sex identity - passport, driving licence, birth certificate, etc, can be legally falsified?

How can you prove it? Do they want the ‘genital checks’ at the door?

Quite.

Load of waffle from Labour as per. The can’t give a clear answer because there is no clear way to allow men to become legally women and then still protect women’s rights, spaces and freedoms. It’s the Keir Starmer equivalent of Boris Johnson’s Cake-ist policy on the EU Single Market 🤷‍♀️

Trying to please everyone will just piss everyone off.

I think you have to assume the worst. They’ll amend the EQA and GRA in such a way to make it compatible with Self ID and the Scottish GRR; then the Scots will re-pass the GRR (or they won’t have to as U.K.-wide law will be close to what they ultimately wish.)

This, with some ineffectual nods to women's prisons and sports, to keep the T**fy amongst us quiet.

I listened to some of that.

"We must respect trans identified people" and "We must respect women's need for single sex spaces".

How exactly do you give men who say they are women what they want, AND at the same time give women what they need? How? Smarmy "respect" oozing from every pore but no answer to the dilemma of our time.

"Our policy is to square the circle."

Either you let men into women's spaces or you don't. It's one or the other.

Presumably Labour are at still at the magical thinking stage of development (usually seen in children under 5) in terms of TWAW etc and are blissfully unaware of the size of the national scandal coming down the track? ? Especially in relation to NHS's experimenting on children at the behest of trans extremist groups?

Interviewers have to develop a robust response to these empty answers. Please CN and others, develop a response that makes it clear to people who have not been paying attention that an answer like this is a nonsense.

Do your job thoroughly. It will make much better radio too!

It mystifies me how so very few political interviewers and journalists have developed the ability to follow this waffle through to the logical negative outcomes. Instead they let the politicians away with spouting platitudes and bunkum; letting them make ridiculous promises that there’s obviously a way to make everyone happy and allowing them to state manipulative nonsense about marginalised people to put guard rails around any attempt at serious discussion or interrogation.

It’s television and radio pablum - no-one in the UK media is intellectually honest enough to dissect this issue on air and lay it all out for the electorate. Journalists’ usage of inaccurate pronouns and terminology to describe these men only confuses issues. And the journalists and politicians scolding women as 'being unkind' when they won’t conform to the 'be naice' rules is infantilising.

lol 😂

I think a few are going to have a lot of fun with this question.

Quite!

thryll keep trying to fudge it with safe spaces so hopefully interviewers will wise up to that too

Yes. This. All day long.

More broadly, sex is a protected characteristic under the Act. How can we prevent sex discrimination on the basis of overall body type (DNA, gonads, and genitals aren't visible to others), if it is no longer aligned with (legal) sex? And no-one is allowed to know whether someone's legal sex has changed. There's just no mechanism for it.

Thought experiment: a company sneakily pays the men more than the women by setting salary to be proportionate to height. They can easily show there's no sex discrimination because they employ many TW, who tend to be tall, and TM, who tend to be short. The TM might be able to sue under the PC of gender reassignment (they're disadvantaged relative to the 'other' men), but the other women are screwed because being 'cis' isn't a PC.

Hopefully at some point in the next 6 weeks Labour will be made to show their working out on this one because their sums don't add up.

I had almost reconciled myself to voting Labour despite some lingering doubts. Now I just feel I can't but also can't bring myself to vote Tory. I don't know what I'm going to do. It feels hopeless.

Same annonymousse, I really want to vote Labour but just can't when they talk such utter nonsense on this issue. But I can't vote Tory either and don't want to waste or spoil my ballot, it's so bloody frustrating

Exactly, it’s junk how ridiculous they sound

Can someone ask where men will be with GRC and how

At this stage its just insulting. We need a word thats like 'mansplaining', for politicians lecturing people who are better informed than they are.

This is me exactly

Can’t see it now… any other links available?

It's here
https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1794063316106514600