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What is it with The Guardian??

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/05/2024 07:51

I mean I know it’s a bit of a rhetorical question but ffs the interviewer really pushes Tom Burke on JKR who to his credit handles it well but they really really hate her don’t they? https://www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/may/17/i-did-a-lot-of-yelling-tom-burke-on-socks-controversy-and-mad-max

‘I did a lot of yelling’: Tom Burke on socks, controversy and Mad Max

Yes, there were more flame-throwers, but working on Furiosa was pretty similar to starring in Joanna Hogg’s The Souvenir, says the actor. So how does he duck the crossfire that comes with playing JK Rowling’s Strike?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/may/17/i-did-a-lot-of-yelling-tom-burke-on-socks-controversy-and-mad-max

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RebelliousCow · 17/05/2024 12:59

ErrolTheDragon · 17/05/2024 12:47

The Times Rich List came out today - and apparently JK's wealth has risen by £70 million over the last year - making her almost a billionaire.

She'll probably go and ruin the guardian narrative by paying all her taxes and donating large chunks to charities again.

There seems to be a need in left-radical circles to have figures of hate - which is very counter intuitive to the ideals of love, tolerance, inclusivity and acceptance that they espouse.

You don't strike me as naive but surely no-one thinks they genuinely espouse anything of the sort?

I don't, but they do.

CorruptedCauldron · 17/05/2024 13:01

MarkWithaC · 17/05/2024 12:22

The devil indeed. The other thing it is redolent of is the Salem witch trials (and whatever Arthur Miller said afterwards, The Crucible can certainly be read as a play about McCarthyism as well as 17th-century New England).

The extremist TRAs are straight out of The Crucible. They want hand-wringing confessions and repentance - and they want to know who else is guilty by association…

“I want the light of God; I want the sweet love of Jesus! I danced for the Devil; I saw him, I wrote in his book; I go back to Jesus; I kiss His hand. I saw Sarah Good with the Devil! I saw Goody Osburn with the Devil! I saw Bridget Bishop with the Devil!”

MattDamon · 17/05/2024 13:02

RebelliousCow · 17/05/2024 12:37

The Times Rich List came out today - and apparently JK's wealth has risen by £70 million over the last year - making her almost a billionaire.

Edited

She could have hit that target years ago but she gives so much to charity she keeps disqualifying herself. An amazing woman on so many counts.

MarkWithaC · 17/05/2024 13:06

CorruptedCauldron · 17/05/2024 13:01

The extremist TRAs are straight out of The Crucible. They want hand-wringing confessions and repentance - and they want to know who else is guilty by association…

“I want the light of God; I want the sweet love of Jesus! I danced for the Devil; I saw him, I wrote in his book; I go back to Jesus; I kiss His hand. I saw Sarah Good with the Devil! I saw Goody Osburn with the Devil! I saw Bridget Bishop with the Devil!”

I love The Crucible, but it's really difficult to read right now. Too close to the bone.

MorrisZapp · 17/05/2024 13:09

I bloody loved him in War and Peace. He's the absolute perfect Strike, almost as if JK wrote it with him in mind. Long may he thrive and entertain us, he is ace.

MorrisZapp · 17/05/2024 13:09

Ace pride 🤣 I doubt he's asexual. Hope not, anyway.

MarkWithaC · 17/05/2024 14:11

I was annoyed that they didn’t mention The Musketeers. He was definitely funny in that.
And hot.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2024 14:23

I'm cringing for him. RG would sound more intelligent if he asked 'if you were a biscuit, what type of biscuit would you be?'

Yes Grin

popebishop · 17/05/2024 14:56

It is moronic. The desperation to get something, anything for people to click on just permeates the whole article.

Remember, all this hatred and comparisons with Farage etc has come about after a woman shared her experiences of domestic violence. RSOH, eh, Guardian.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 17/05/2024 15:02

@RebelliousCow

Bambie is non binary, as any fule kno ! And you have referred to them as she/her throughout !

No chocolate for you. 🐪

SinnerBoy · 17/05/2024 15:19

Goodness, young master Gilbey seems like one to avoid in future. Trying to force team JKR with frog face Farridge indeed!

Like others, the fawning over TRAs and ignoring valid points, like men in women's prisons and sports, or pretending that those things are fine and objectors are bullies has put me off buying the Graun.

Gilbey's probably sulking because he couldn't get him to slag off JKR and said positive things about her.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/05/2024 15:28

So how does he duck the crossfire that comes with playing JK Rowling’s Strike?

Maybe by living in the real world where it's rarely really a thing? And in future maybe he'll avoid idiotic guardian 'journalists'.

RoyalCorgi · 17/05/2024 15:36

I think it's a shame Burke didn't stand up more robustly for JKR, even if just to say something like "She's a lovely person and I consider her a friend."

What's so irritating about Gilbey is his assumption that all right-thinking people will agree with him. Well, that and the mindless stupidity of his questions.

lonelywater · 17/05/2024 15:42

what else was anyone expecting from the Graun? Its been a total bonfire for about ten years now and won't change without a wholesale clearcut of the management.

MagpiePi · 17/05/2024 15:45

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 17/05/2024 09:51

RebelliousCow
Like the Irish entrant in Eurovision this year, Bambi Thug, whose act was predicated on darkness, the devil and witchcraft and who spent all her time expressing hostility towards the much younger Israeli entrant. She made such a scene - issuing demands, accusations, swearing - who then announced at the end of her performance that she was " all about love and not hate".

God this is so true - I cringed so much at this person's desperate attention seeking nonsense, and the obvious incongruence between preaching love and peace and then demonising anyone you don't agree with. It's all bollocks!

It reminds me of something I heard recently, which goes was - there's a certain type of progressive leftist who would happily beat someone into submission with a sign that says 'be kind'.

Here you go…

What is it with The Guardian??
Windymoore · 17/05/2024 15:49

RoyalCorgi · 17/05/2024 12:44

Very funny. The old comeback "If my auntie had hairs on her chest she'd be my uncle" seems particularly apposite here.

In my understanding of the saying, it's not her chest my "auntie" has hair on 🤣🤣

Asurvivor · 17/05/2024 16:02

I read (and loved) the Guardian for years, I had friends who worked there, it was “my” paper for “my kind of people”! It had a left-wing bias but I genuinely thought it still kept its integrity in its reporting. It was a particularly pro-trans-biased anti-women’s rights article that peaked me, quite a bit later than many of this board, but of course when I saw, I couldn’t then unsee. The danger to women’s rights and the potential loss of single sex spaces could / would have passed me by otherwise, with work & family taking up my time, if the Guardian hadn’t put this on my radar. But I didn’t leave the Guardian, it left me.

afternoonoflife · 17/05/2024 16:05

I think before you can work at the Guardian you must undertake a ritual, like a christening where the godparents promise to renounce Satan, except instead of Satan it’s JKR.

It’s telling that the better the actor, the less likely they are to slag off JKR. On the one hand you’ve got the likes of Tom Burke, Ralph Fiennes and Brian Cox and on the other Emma Watson and Rupert Grint. It’s almost like proper acting requires brains and nuance.

RebelliousCow · 17/05/2024 17:01

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 17/05/2024 15:02

@RebelliousCow

Bambie is non binary, as any fule kno ! And you have referred to them as she/her throughout !

No chocolate for you. 🐪

I say it as it is.

Floisme · 17/05/2024 17:48

I feel obliged to state that, if Nigel Farage ever wrote a good thriller then I would watch it. And the same goes for Owen Jones.

SinnerBoy · 17/05/2024 17:49

Ah, but you say that safe in the knowledge that neither will ever happen!

Floisme · 17/05/2024 17:55

Fair.
Ok, I still read Charles Dickens, even though I hear he was a bit of a shit.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 17/05/2024 18:03

Floisme · 17/05/2024 17:48

I feel obliged to state that, if Nigel Farage ever wrote a good thriller then I would watch it. And the same goes for Owen Jones.

I was going to say much the same thing (and what @SinnerBoy said too!) And why shouldn't a professional actor act in either one? There's such a thing as professionalism.

It might make sense to choose not to work with someone who I knew could be abusing other people while I was working with them, especially vulnerable people or other people working for them or in my profession. That's also professionalism.

But "people don't like them on Twitter" is hardly a reason not to work with someone.

(My old aunt used to say "if your uncle had tits he'd be your auntie" ... which is no longer scientifically true.)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2024 19:23

Am I right in thinking LOJ has written a fiction book before or was that my fever dream?

lonelywater · 17/05/2024 19:32

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2024 19:23

Am I right in thinking LOJ has written a fiction book before or was that my fever dream?

you must be getting confused between that and the weekly fantasy articles he churns out for the Graun.