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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rebels have been kicked out of the Scottish Green Party for declaring that “sex is a biological reality”.

51 replies

fromorbit · 16/05/2024 17:11

Surely this breaks the equality act. Hopefully one of them will sue.

Rebel members have been kicked out of the Scottish Green Party for declaring that “sex is a biological reality”.
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,scottish-greens-expel-gender-rebels-deemed-threat-to-trans-members

Scottish Greens expel gender rebels deemed ‘threat’ to trans members

Scottish Greens expel gender rebels deemed ‘threat’ to trans members over support for women's rights

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,scottish-greens-expel-gender-rebels-deemed-threat-to-trans-members

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KeeeeeepDancing · 16/05/2024 23:50

guinnessguzzler · 16/05/2024 17:21

Nice clear article though. The Greens have totally lost it now, which is utterly frustrating given people are really starting to wake up to environmental issues and they could have made themselves indispensable rather than a bunch of irrelevant nobs.

You are so correct! Now is the time to be laying out an alternative future. Not being ridiculous about biological reality. What a wasted opportunity

Waitwhat23 · 16/05/2024 23:58

New sketch by Shaunyboy featuring the permanently furious Harvie -

x.com/shiny02/status/1791122629396451550

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 17/05/2024 00:07

CriticalCondition · 16/05/2024 23:38

This has just been mentioned on BBC1 Question Time. It was in the context of the question should the Scottish government follow Westminster in banning teaching of gender ideology.
Huge support and applause for the view that yes, it should.
I'm no fan of Alex Salmond but he nailed it on this.
Fiona Bruce was disappointingly incoherent in summarising the thrust of the Cass review and kept talking about a pendulum swinging too far. She should have a chat with Emma Barnett.

And then the pratt Stephen Flynn chimes in about his mate's 'brother' dying of ovarian cancer.

mach2 · 17/05/2024 02:43

The “safety” comment is so ridiculous. How exactly is this putting anybody in danger?

Words are literal violence so uttering them damages people, so the pond-crossing idiocy goes.

fromorbit · 17/05/2024 08:23

Helleofabore · 16/05/2024 21:48

So do the Scottish greens have the budget for court cases then? Bring them on!

The English & Welsh Greens are struggling to find the money for their cases. The smaller Scottish Greens could be broken by this. Because they split from the bigger party because more members knew biology was real they can't be bailed out easily.

So lets hope they get taken to court it could destroy the Scottish Greens as a power in Scotland.

It seems like a slam dunk case it is like kicking out a Catholic from a political party because the party is pro-choice and the Church isn't. Especially as you are doing it without even bothering to check if the the 14 individuals concerned are doing anything discriminatory themselves.

It is really dumb. The only thing which could make it dumber if there was a whole bunch of feminist lawyers in Scotland who keep winning court cases defending biology and defeating the ideas the Scottish Greens believe... oh wait.

There seems to be an entire book about pesky Scottish women defending their legal rights, but how did that happen? Great publicity for the book Scottish Greens by the way in showing exactly how bigoted they are.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5076249-new-book-coming-out-the-women-who-wouldnt-wheesht

New book coming out! "The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht" | Mumsnet

Co-edited by Lucy Hunter Blackburn and Susan Dalgety. Comes out in a fortnight: [[https://www.amazon.co.uk/Women-Who-Wouldnt-Wheesht/dp/1408720701/r...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5076249-new-book-coming-out-the-women-who-wouldnt-wheesht

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RainWithSunnySpells · 17/05/2024 08:40

Tallisker · 16/05/2024 23:08

Aren't artificial hormones really bad for the environment?

Well, you would think that the 'Green Party' would be looking into that issue in a very serious way, rather than just ignoring it.

Maybe some serious research? Monitoring the hormone levels in the water and looking into if there is any impact on wildlife?

fromorbit · 17/05/2024 08:48

Reaction from Shahrar Ali sums it up

Shahrar Ali
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Being contacted by concerned members. A similar tactic faced down at GPEW conference in 2021.

Why would anyone want to put their trust in intolerant, fanatical, bullying, dissembling flat earth loons - so unhinged they want to persecute others for stating sex matters?

x.com

https://twitter.com/ShahrarAli

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Justcallmebebes · 17/05/2024 08:51

Imicola · 16/05/2024 17:16

Bunch of fucking muppets

Yep. That about sums them up

ArabellaScott · 17/05/2024 09:26

guinnessguzzler · 16/05/2024 17:21

Nice clear article though. The Greens have totally lost it now, which is utterly frustrating given people are really starting to wake up to environmental issues and they could have made themselves indispensable rather than a bunch of irrelevant nobs.

The Greens are currently an active hindrance to any political movement on the environment.

ArabellaScott · 17/05/2024 09:37

“Next month is Pride month and we hope this decisive action will send a clear message that we stand in solidarity with the LGBTQ+ community now and forever.”

Sometimes I just hold you
Too caught up in me to see
I'm holding a fortune
That Heaven has given to me
^^
I'll try to show you
Each and every way I can
Now and forever
I will be your man

BezMills · 17/05/2024 10:19

Is that Indy Willoubooby's karaoke standby?

SquirrelSoShiny · 17/05/2024 11:06

Dear Green Party,

The messages you have given us are:

  • You don't care about the environment or climate change, they are not your priority, it is more important that you get virtue cookies.
  • You lack critical thinking skills which doesn't bode well for your ability to ever lead a government.
  • You subscribe to magical thinking rather science - deeply concerning frankly because the solutions will be found in science not fantasy.

In conclusion, you have lost your way at a time that should be one of huge opportunity to raise public awareness of accelerating climate change. History won't judge this period of your history kindly if there's anyone left to write the history books.

Yours...

Everyone with common sense watching you all make utter fools of yourselves

WickedSerious · 17/05/2024 12:25

It doesn't take much to be a 'rebel' these days.

Seriestwo · 17/05/2024 13:04

I heard the scottish greens have less than 150k in the bank. That’s not enough to run two elections in two years, if it’s true. They also seem short of candidates, Sophie Sparkles is selected to stand and is very funny on Twitter. Sophie doesn’t mean to be funny.

ArabellaScott · 17/05/2024 14:06

Seriestwo · 17/05/2024 13:04

I heard the scottish greens have less than 150k in the bank. That’s not enough to run two elections in two years, if it’s true. They also seem short of candidates, Sophie Sparkles is selected to stand and is very funny on Twitter. Sophie doesn’t mean to be funny.

Accounts reported here. Most recent available y/e 2022.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-centre/uk-political-parties-accounts-published-1

And available here:

https://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/Search/Accounts?currentPage=2&rows=10&sort=TotalIncome&order=desc&open=filter&et=pp&et=pp&year=2022&register=gb&register=ni&register=none&register=gb&register=ni&register=none&regStatus=registered&regStatus=deregistered&regStatus=registered&regStatus=deregistered&rptBy=centralparty&rptBy=centralparty&optCols=BandName

Apologies for the messy link.

'2022 saw the party improve our financial position from 2021 as we worked to increase our membership and maximise our fundraising from elections and other campaigns.
During the year, total income in 2022 was £566k (2021: £636k). That was a decrease in income of £70k. There was an increase in membership income of £22k. The income from donations and fundraising in 2022 was £263k (2021: £366k) which is a decrease of £103k. Conference income was £30k (2021: £1 Sk) an increase of £12K.
Reserves, including restricted funds of £15k, stand at £163K (2021 : £191k). The restricted funds are for use in Holyrood and other future elections.'

UK political parties’ accounts published

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-centre/uk-political-parties-accounts-published-1

ArabellaScott · 17/05/2024 14:08

Interesting to note, btw, that the Labour income for that year is 47 million, and the Tory income 30 million.

INeedAPensieve · 19/05/2024 16:26

All the expelled party members should make a case and get the Scottish greens in court.

It's ludicrous that it's come to this.

INeedAPensieve · 19/05/2024 16:37

Waitwhat23 · 16/05/2024 23:58

New sketch by Shaunyboy featuring the permanently furious Harvie -

x.com/shiny02/status/1791122629396451550

Ah that was brilliant thanks for sharing!

ArabellaScott · 19/05/2024 21:06

INeedAPensieve · 19/05/2024 16:26

All the expelled party members should make a case and get the Scottish greens in court.

It's ludicrous that it's come to this.

I've no doubt they will. It's exactly what's happening in GPEW.

mrshoho · 19/05/2024 21:14

Or could the expelled group relaunch a new Green Party in Scotland? The original greens going back to their roots, the Party whose priority is environmental issues!

littlbrowndog · 19/05/2024 21:42

I would really like to vote for a Green Party in Scotland that weren’t such absolute bigots and science deniers.
how can a Green Party deny science. Makes you wonder what sort of people are in this party where mutilating children is one of their prime objectives

HootyMcBooby · 19/05/2024 23:17

Yes Fiona Bruce is a terrible interviewer and an awful host. That particular one with Prof Winston showed her ineptitude.
"That particular opinion is contested" or some such shite. Well yes, you could say the same thing to someone who said the earth was round. That would be true, but the belief is only contested by utter fucking morons and it doesn't hold any credence.
Same with those who believe sex change in humans is a "thing". Only fucking morons believe it. Just because you mention it, Ms Bruce, doesn't mean it is a realistic argument against the word of one of the world's most eminent fertility and reproductive specialists.

fromorbit · 20/05/2024 08:38

There is a lot of coverage of the explusion. Latest article from Herald talks to some expelled members. It is damning.

An email arrives from a member of the Scottish Greens. I say “member of the Scottish Greens”, I should really say “former member of the Scottish Greens” because, along with several others, they’ve just been expelled from the party with immediate effect. When I tell you what they’re alleged to have done, you’ll see, if you haven’t seen it already, the troubling state the Scottish Greens are now in.
The email lays out the events very clearly. Last year, a group of members and supporters signed a declaration calling for discussion in the Greens about its stance on women’s rights. Among other things, it said sex should not be confused with gender and that women and girls should have the right to maintain female-only spaces such as changing rooms. But signing the declaration has now been judged as a breach of the party’s code of conduct and any member that did so has been expelled forthwith.
The newly expelled Green member who emailed me also sent me a copy of the original complaint and I’ll take you through it because it’s a classic example of the sort of behaviour and dialogue that now surrounds this issue. According to the complaint, the declaration on women’s rights was “abhorrent” and an “attack on transgender people”. It also says the signatories should be expelled to protect “members’ safety” and alleges the rebels broke the rules against prejudice and bullying. Finally, horror of horrors, it says they were given the chance to retract their wrong opinions and refused to do so.
You’ll probably be familiar with some of these accusations already because they’re often made against people with opinions similar to the ones outlined in the declaration. For the avoidance of doubt, what the document says is that women and girls are subject to discrimination on the basis of their sex; it also says women have the right to maintain sex-based protections, the right to freedom of belief and expression and the right to discuss issues which affect them without being abused or intimidated. It is this that’s being called abhorrent and an attack on transgender people.
Exactly why the leadership takes this view isn’t clear from the letter the members were sent; it merely states that the party has concluded they acted in violation of the code of conduct and are therefore being kicked out; they are now non-members because of their non-acceptable views. I’ve tried to speak to the Greens about this sort of thing in the past but I always get the same sort of response: no details, no discussion, only repetition. One spokeswoman gave me one sentence: “we support the rights of our trans siblings and stand against all forms of prejudice”...

Scottish Greens: Expelled – more signs of trouble for the party
https://archive.is/dV9lV#selection-1623.0-1623.63

I am presuming they are waiting to get case together before announcing they are going to court. From the data we have gathered this could easily bankrupt the Greens.

They have to go scorched earth. It is the only way to save the environmental movement, but more than that end this nonsense permanently.

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BlackForestCake · 20/05/2024 09:10

If you think the current leadership are fruit loops, take a look at the unhinged stuff "Sophie Sparkles" was tweeting yesterday. Sophie is obviously afflicted by several personality disorders, and is apparently an election candidate.

Ramblingnamechanger · 20/05/2024 09:42

Just like the situation at ERCC till the recent judgement in favour of Roz Adams. How many more cases to we need?