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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Teachers to tell children Gender Ideology is a contested belief"

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WarriorN · 14/05/2024 17:50

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/14/teachers-pupils-gender-ideology-trans-guidance/

Teachers will have to make clear that gender ideology is a “contested belief” rather than fact if they bring it up in lessons, Gillian Keegan will say later this week.
The Education Secretary is set to issue guidance on Thursday following criticism that some pupils were being taught that there were 72 genders.
Schools will not be told to hold lessons on gender ideologygy, which states that people can be born the wrong sex and that they can change their identity to the opposite sex or other categories such as non-binary.*
But if they do hold lessons on the issue, they must make it clear that it is a contested belief.
In other words, they must say that the “gender-critical” beliefef that there are just two biological sexes is also valid.*
The guidance - which will be out for consultation - will also order schools to show parents all classroom material to ensure they are comfortable with what is being taught.

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lonelywater · 16/05/2024 14:41

am late to this thread so not read all of it. Whilst a welcome development, it only goes half way. The advice should be "Gender ideology is made up bollocks with the same credibility as believing the earth is flat".

WarriorN · 16/05/2024 18:36

Lots to catch up on. No idea what it's like yet.

But

Well done all 👏

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TWETMIRF · 16/05/2024 19:11

SaltPorridge · 16/05/2024 10:28

They recently did a workshop on consent at the school I work at. No playdoh. Something about "unconscious people don't want tea" seemed to be the most memorable takeaway.

But it's important to say that a lot of sex ed is within the science curriculum. There's a whole reproduction topic, and HIV appears as part of disease topic.

For some reason, it's regarded as less ick when it's within science, although I had a group of girls cheer when i walked in instead of their usual male teacher, and they took the opportunity to ask questions they wouldn't have asked him.

The tea analogy has been around a while and is very clear

Tea and Consent

If you’re still struggling with consent just imagine instead of initiating sex you’re making them a cup of tea. Animation courtesy of Emmeline May at rocksta...

https://youtu.be/pZwvrxVavnQ?feature=shared

AlertViper · 16/05/2024 20:55

The consultation asks

Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?

Possible answers are

Yes

No

Prefer not to say or not applicable

(Emphasis mine.)

Are they ...listening? 😮

ResisterRex · 16/05/2024 22:19

More "experts" weigh in:

"Children will end up getting their sex education from porn"

Well that is a safeguarding concern. As an expert, surely you know this?!

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13421073/Children-learn-facts-life-online-porn-banning-sex-education-damaging.html

duc748 · 17/05/2024 00:43

AlertViper · 16/05/2024 20:55

The consultation asks

Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?

Possible answers are

Yes

No

Prefer not to say or not applicable

(Emphasis mine.)

Are they ...listening? 😮

But is that three options, or four? If four, good; if three, not so good.

Ginnyweasleyswand · 17/05/2024 10:58

ResisterRex · 16/05/2024 22:19

More "experts" weigh in:

"Children will end up getting their sex education from porn"

Well that is a safeguarding concern. As an expert, surely you know this?!

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13421073/Children-learn-facts-life-online-porn-banning-sex-education-damaging.html

If you don't do this dodgy thing we want to do to your child then something WORSE WILL HAPPEN

Not a convincing argument.

And do they not realise that here in the real world, kids have baby brothers and sisters and they see reproduction happening and ask their parents and teachers questions and get answers.

This guidance is getting extremely dodgy resources (some of which deliberately sexualise children) out of schools, ensure that parents can see what is being taught (if we're all about 'education' and 'answering questions' why the fuck are they so against that?) and getting gender ideology only taught as a contested belief, not as fact.

All these news articles that are hyperbole and nothing to do with the actual guidance. The journalists could do with going into a few schools for remedial education.

ResisterRex · 17/05/2024 13:49

UtopiaPlanitia · 17/05/2024 13:26

Gosh, Hayton’s having a busy week objecting to gender critical improvements to public life:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-schools-must-teach-kids-about-gender-identity/

If you don’t want to give clicks to the original article:

https://archive.is/Lezjz

Edited

Another one who doesn't understand safeguarding, rushing to say "they'll see it on their phones anyway".

Has a bat signal gone up? Is that the line?

If so, teachers - like Hayton- should know that children accessing sexual imagery is a safeguarding concern.

SinnerBoy · 17/05/2024 13:53

Batty signal, more like.

FlakyPoet · 17/05/2024 14:14

ResisterRex · 17/05/2024 13:49

Another one who doesn't understand safeguarding, rushing to say "they'll see it on their phones anyway".

Has a bat signal gone up? Is that the line?

If so, teachers - like Hayton- should know that children accessing sexual imagery is a safeguarding concern.

I don’t get why DH thinks Gender Identity as a particular non-evidenced belief needs to be discussed at school. There could be a broad topic to cover flat-Earthism, Gender Identity, Alien Abductions, etc- a topic taught about how belief, delusion, propaganda, mind-control, etc, can work in such a way to sucker in even the most clever people, and the importance of critical thinking, particularly when your emotions are being heavily stoked. Basically a topic - ‘bullshit awareness and not being taken in by bullshit’ (in more academic language) is all you need - GI doesn’t need to be specifically mentioned.

ResisterRex · 17/05/2024 14:21

They want GI discussed but not as a belief. They want it taught as, to embed it as a real thing. They've never tried to establish a belief in GI in law - because they don't want it as something that can be put in that category. They want to impose the New MRA World Order so having it as a belief undermines that objective.

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