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MN in the Guardian

102 replies

theDudesmummy · 11/05/2024 08:57

This whole article is rather grating me and I can't put my finger on exactly why. Sneering at FWR while saying she steers clear of it? The "damning with faint praise" tone of it? The silliness and missing the point of calling out an "obsession with public toilets"? I got a real anti-feminist, "little women's problems" vibe from the article.
Or am I wrong?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/11/mumsnet-flaws-experience-parenting?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Mumsnet has its flaws, but the depth of experience shared on it is extraordinary | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett

From allergies to hen do beefs, the parenting site’s users cover it all. I just wish they wouldn’t use the word ‘hubby’, says Guardian columnist Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/11/mumsnet-flaws-experience-parenting?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

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DojaPhat · 11/05/2024 16:18

I think she was spot on! If anything the last paragraph in which she basically says 'Well nazis are openly supported on Twitter and I still use the platform so Mumsnet is small fry', is quite off. Do writers still rely on nazi-inspired comparators to evoke reaction, in 2024.

commonground · 11/05/2024 16:19

Ah, I remember the first time I discovered MN. Good times.

Look, mortgages have to be paid, totes understandable, so you're welcome to our content, dear journos. You are v welcome indeed.

(But, a word to the wise - much of the stuff on here these days is <whisper> made up bollocks. So don't fret too much about the hubbys and the CFs. They mostly aren't real).

Cattenberg · 11/05/2024 18:53

I’m surprised Cosslett is defending the CFs. I’ve met CFs in real life, but few have compared to the brazen battshittery of the subjects of MN threads.

AstonCanKissMyArse · 11/05/2024 23:16

I think the pp who said the Graun are trying to distract from the fact that FWR saw what was happening ave have been discussing for years before the Cass report was spot on.

Incidentally, I can't bring myself to type 'DH' if I'm referring to him.

It makes me a bit sick in my mouth 😆

ScrollingLeaves · 12/05/2024 00:42

From allergies to hen do beefs, the parenting site’s users cover it all. I just wish they wouldn’t use the word ‘hubby’

I feel dismissive before even reading it because what she says in that line heading the rest is so wrong.

It is “DH” that MN married women call their husbands. I don’t ever recall seeing ‘hubby’.

So she is patronising on the basis of something she has made up or egged, and is either willing to mislead her readers in order to say what she wants to, or she did very superficial research into what is written here.

Keeptoiletssafe · 12/05/2024 00:47

That was a raw and powerful piece she wrote about the attack she experienced, (link further up in this thread from a different publication). Very differently written. She’s probably contracted to write in a certain style and tone in The Guardian so isn’t within her remit to do a really controversial opinion piece.

I hope she visits this board and stays round a bit though, to see why women need to write what they do on here.

Precipice · 12/05/2024 00:49

More of us should be obsessed with public toilets. In many areas, there are none. In others, there are very few.

TERFCat · 12/05/2024 08:02

"I read Mumsnet but don't hate me! I'm not
like those other frumpy mums who call out men perving on women and try to safeguard children, no! I'm the fun kind of Mumsnetter; I'm laughing at the frumps and old bats, not with them! Don't worry, I get that women are daft! I'll keep toeing the line in the hope that I can evade misogyny!"

Smile
quantumbutterfly · 12/05/2024 08:51

She identifies as progressive and pigeonholes a couple of million women, nuff said.

& Since when did the c in CF stand for cheeky?

As usual the begging letter at the bottom is the funniest bit of the article.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/05/2024 08:54

ScrollingLeaves · 12/05/2024 00:42

From allergies to hen do beefs, the parenting site’s users cover it all. I just wish they wouldn’t use the word ‘hubby’

I feel dismissive before even reading it because what she says in that line heading the rest is so wrong.

It is “DH” that MN married women call their husbands. I don’t ever recall seeing ‘hubby’.

So she is patronising on the basis of something she has made up or egged, and is either willing to mislead her readers in order to say what she wants to, or she did very superficial research into what is written here.

What I wrote was presuming too much on the basis of too little. I should have read the rest first. Late night pouncing. I apologise.

quantumbutterfly · 12/05/2024 09:04

MarieDeGournay · 11/05/2024 10:04

'I still use X, despite the fact that I saw someone on there the other day lauding Joseph Goebbels as an example of fatherly sacrifice, so why not Mumsnet?'
So we're somewhere in the same category as Goebbels-quoters? Nice.
I rarely read the rest of MN, just FWR and Craicnet, and the very occasional foray into AIBU, and there is negative and derogatory stuff around, of course, how could there not be? All human life etc etc.

But FWR - 'which seem[s] to often descend into toxicity and bigotry'??
Yeah there are moments where posters lose it, understandably, but on the whole the level of knowledge, analysis, debate and humour on here is remarkable.

And I know this sounds soppy but... it is a place where posters admit when they are wrong, or apologise for being 'snippy', and IMO that is a gem, and a rare gem, in the crown of contemporary human discourse✨So there, call me soppy if you willSmile

I thought it was nicely summed up on this board by a pp..'psst, you want expertise, we've got expertise. What d'ya need?'

And by Elaine miller, 'turns out there's nothing scarier than a bunch of women saying - oh d'ya bloody think so!'

InvisibleBuffy · 12/05/2024 09:19

Cattenberg · 11/05/2024 18:53

I’m surprised Cosslett is defending the CFs. I’ve met CFs in real life, but few have compared to the brazen battshittery of the subjects of MN threads.

I suppose if you don't see a problem with the incredible boundary crossing that is men self-identifying into women's toilets, sports, refuges, you're not going to see any issue with other kinds of boundary crossing too.
Of course, now I'm just wondering if she parks in other people's drives when she can't find a more convenient spot.

lcakethereforeIam · 12/05/2024 09:19

quantumbutterfly · 12/05/2024 08:51

She identifies as progressive and pigeonholes a couple of million women, nuff said.

& Since when did the c in CF stand for cheeky?

As usual the begging letter at the bottom is the funniest bit of the article.

I thought it stood for 'cheeky', it doesn't!?

I'm not the biggest fan of 'D' except DCat/Dog/Car/Kitchen. I'm waiting to see DMortalEnemy (DME?).

I thought the Guardian article was a bit of a curate's egg, though it's been a couple of days since I read it and i could be misremembering. It struck me as something churned out for an impending deadline. The article she wrote following her assault was extremely powerful.

quantumbutterfly · 12/05/2024 09:22

RoyalCorgi · 11/05/2024 16:04

There are some people it's just impossible to reason with.

Lib fem/TRA: You're always going on about toilets.

GC fem: It's not just toilets. It's changing rooms, hospital wards, prisons, rape crisis centres, domestic violence refuges, mammograms and cervical smears, intimate care for disabled women, women's sports.

Lib fem/TRA: You're always going on about toilets.

Perhaps they can't hear us because our voices are too shrill.

😂Remember the fast show sketches? Can anybody actually hear me?

SpaghettiWithaYeti · 12/05/2024 09:27

theDudesmummy · 11/05/2024 09:17

"Hubby"? I think she's mistaken us for NM.

Quite. The fact she thinks people say hubby makes me think she's used.it about twice in her entire life!

Or that she was deliberately trying to make Mumsnet users look stupid...

EmpressaurusOfCats · 12/05/2024 09:30

There’s a thread somewhere at the moment that uses Hubbie…

quantumbutterfly · 12/05/2024 09:30

lcakethereforeIam · 12/05/2024 09:19

I thought it stood for 'cheeky', it doesn't!?

I'm not the biggest fan of 'D' except DCat/Dog/Car/Kitchen. I'm waiting to see DMortalEnemy (DME?).

I thought the Guardian article was a bit of a curate's egg, though it's been a couple of days since I read it and i could be misremembering. It struck me as something churned out for an impending deadline. The article she wrote following her assault was extremely powerful.

To me it's always been cunty fucker 😁

I don't have the imagination or sweariness to have made that up myself, I must have got it from Mn.

Rainbowshit · 12/05/2024 10:20

Mumsnet, and particularly FWR, always makes me think of this meme.

Woe betide you if you get on the wrong side of mumsnet.

MN in the Guardian
MN in the Guardian
CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 12/05/2024 10:37

I think it's pretty sexist that people make fun of AIBU but not the reddit version which is exactly the same but mostly used by men, Am I the Asshole.

SpaghettiWithaYeti · 12/05/2024 10:38

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 12/05/2024 10:37

I think it's pretty sexist that people make fun of AIBU but not the reddit version which is exactly the same but mostly used by men, Am I the Asshole.

Agreed

RobinEllacotStrike · 12/05/2024 10:43

This is why the Guardian constantly begs for money.

Oblomov24 · 12/05/2024 10:46

I don't like the tone and style of her article, and I don't think she frequents the site often, if she did she'd know literally no one uses the word hubby apart from in jest.

RainWithSunnySpells · 12/05/2024 10:54

I like DME. 😎

Bambaclarts · 12/05/2024 10:58

C is for cheeky, I think it came from an OP where the neighbour was complaining the OP had locked their back gate meaning the neighbour's kids could no longer play in the OPs garden while she was out, and someone commented something like "who left the gate open at the cheeky fucker farm?"

quantumbutterfly · 12/05/2024 11:01

Was that before the Mexican house thief?