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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

USDAW union votes to recognise biological sex exists

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fromorbit · 01/05/2024 14:55

Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers delegates representing 369,437 workers voted to support Single Sex provisions yesterday.

Simon Naylor
Delivered my proposition yesterday in support of Single Sex Provisions and clear language around sex and gender at USDAW24 Annual Delegate Meeting for Usdaw Union

It raised good debate and was carried by vote of 60.5%
https://twitter.com/bobisahamster/status/1784902865028321353

See link for Simon's great speech in support of the motion. Sexism inside the trade union movement has been stopped before and will be again.

https://twitter.com/bobisahamster/status/1784902865028321353

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RandySavage · 01/05/2024 15:14

At last! A union that has not been corrupted.

The unions appropriate for my line of work are full on TWAW. I wonder if I could join USDAW instead?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/05/2024 15:16

Well that's good news and hopefully gives another option for women repelled by the open misogyny of so many other unions.

EdithStourton · 01/05/2024 15:18

Bloody hell!
Not before time, mind you.

Snowypeaks · 01/05/2024 15:28

I would imagine that women are very involved in shop work, too. So this common sense resolution was even more vital for them. They aren't well paid so going to Tribunal would be impossible. Good that their union will have their back. The only disappointing aspect is that it was not carried by more than 60.5%.

Codlingmoths · 01/05/2024 15:34

Is this particularly relevant for staff in retail who might eg have to staff fitting rooms?

SidewaysOtter · 01/05/2024 16:01

Progress!

Come on UCU, do the same. I dare you.

PriOn1 · 01/05/2024 16:07

I hope others follow. If an appropriate union for me did the same, I would instantly jump ship from Prospect.

DameMaud · 01/05/2024 16:14

His speech is fantastic!

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princessleah1 · 01/05/2024 22:24

Fantastic 😊

Screamingabdabz · 01/05/2024 22:27

Great news but who are the 40% of numpties who voted against though??? Shit still lingering there.

DuesToTheDirt · 01/05/2024 22:32

Good. But 60.5% is not enough really. Do the other 40% not believe biological sex exists? Or do they believe it exists but not want to recognise it in case TRAs shout them down?

AmandaHoldensLips · 01/05/2024 22:35

Christ on a bike.
That's like asking people to vote on whether the moon exists.
Mind boggling.

fromorbit · 02/05/2024 01:20

Keir_Starmer turned up at the Usdaw conference on Wednesday. Wonder if delegates explained they voted on Monday showing how to say sex is real.

LabourWomen’sDeclaration
·Thanks Simon & congrats #USDAW24 for passing this motion.
We hope @UKLabour & @Keir_Starmer, who addressed your conference today, will note that Simon's post about this has been viewed & liked at least 5 times more than posts about Keir's speech..
#WomensRightsAreTradeUnionRights

USDAW is the UK fifth biggest union. The motion had official backing in the union:

" It was hearting to be fully supported by Usdaw Union National Executive Council on this. They clarified that what I was asking for was already both law (Single Sex Provision under the Equality Act) and union policy (to review materials). There's no groundbreaking change needed.... we just need to apply existing rules correctly and clearly. Nobody needs to feel threatened by a call to provide for the needs of different groups. It should be easy for unions and other organisations to look at this and clarify, just as the NHS has done this week."

The tide is turning slowly.

Simon Naylor explained more about what led to the motion in a follow up thread:

A bit of background. The speech has been in the works for nearly three years. I've delivered it in draft form during training courses with other members during that time and it was always well received but the final draft was written only a couple of hours before I spoke.

Things are changing quickly. Even a month ago I couldn't have included the response by Stonewall to the Cass review as 'No Debate' seemed to be entrenched but the momentum of this is gathering and the "No to No Debate" line had even greater relevance.

I think I first became aware of this issue when seeing the incident of
@bindelj
being assaulted & bullied. I read the denunciations of feminists & wondered what they could've done that was so bad. By the time @Glinner
started talking I could already see what was really going on.

I've followed the prominent accounts for a good while, retweeted and amplified where I could and read the books by Kathleen Stock and HJoyceGender
Fair, balanced and fact based works which are often slated as anything but that.

Whilst drafting the speech I noticed something interesting. Back in March I asked a couple of different AI sites for opinions on the female authors above. Both came back with a content warning that they were considered transphobic and I should look at other resources.

I asked again shortly before the weekend and no such warning appeared, just a summary of what they'd written. Progress is happening, it is working.

As for what's next, I encourage anyone in a trade union to speak about this. Bring it to your branch, debate it, talk about it.

It's vital we provide support for everyone who needs it and we're closer to re-establishing that it can't come at the expense of women and girls. It feels less dangerous to get involved and speak out, though I obviously say that from a male perspective.

I've been reluctant to speak up in the past but I'm glad I used the biggest stage available to me to do so. The reach outside of the conference has been fantastic. I've not been as vocal on this in other areas of my life so that's next for me to change. I may lose friends.

But I've had the support of
@kiritunks

@MForstater

@sharrond62

@cathydevine56

@soniasodha

@K_IngalaSmith

@Serena_Partrick

@HanoverHussy

@WomensRightsNet

@WomansPlaceUK
and the multitude of others who have engaged positively with me so really, it'd be cowardly not to do so.

And to all the men reading this: it's time. If you haven't yet, it's time to step up, speak up & speak out. If you can see what's going on, you're needed on this. Women have been doing it almost on their own for far too long. Get off the fence. It must be uncomfortable up there.

https://twitter.com/LabWomenDec

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TheSandgroper · 02/05/2024 02:12

OMG. That’s fantastic. I can feel a letter to the Shoppies in Australia writing itself in my head. Now I need to find out what MP’s are sponsored by the Shoppies and write more.

Western Australia is putting off loosening the ID laws so this could help.

Runor · 02/05/2024 05:53

That’s a great point Sandgroper, does USDAW sponsor any MP’s/prospective MP’s in the UK?

ArabellaScott · 02/05/2024 07:00

fromorbit · 01/05/2024 16:25

For those interested also check out Affinty, an independent union which also knows what a women is.
https://workaffinity.co.uk/employers-must-respect-the-law-on-freedom-of-expression/

The President of RMT union recently said some positive things too:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5006439-helen-oconnor-defends-womens-rights-at-morning-star-conference?reply=132985735

Fantastic!

This is great news.

I did immediately think of changing rooms.when I read the OP, but fab to hear other unions are waking up, too.

ArabellaScott · 02/05/2024 07:03

'...to all the men reading this: it's time. If you haven't yet, it's time to step up, speak up & speak out. If you can see what's going on, you're needed on this. Women have been doing it almost on their own for far too long. Get off the fence. It must be uncomfortable up there.'

Fucking brilliant.

fromorbit · 02/05/2024 08:28

ArabellaScott · 02/05/2024 07:03

'...to all the men reading this: it's time. If you haven't yet, it's time to step up, speak up & speak out. If you can see what's going on, you're needed on this. Women have been doing it almost on their own for far too long. Get off the fence. It must be uncomfortable up there.'

Fucking brilliant.

Yes it is good. Remember USDAW was fully captured. Take a look at this:

https://cms.usdaw.org.uk/Publications/Publications/Changing-Gender-Understanding-the-Issues-(Leaflet

The importance of getting USDAW to switch cannot be underestimated. Remember it could be key in upcoming discussions and votes in Labour party conferences on the election manifesto and at the TUC. Paul Nowak, Trades Union Congress (TUC) General Secretary addressed the conference on Tuesday. We have recaptured a major union, now for the others.

A long way to go, but the cards are falling down. The Cass report is a milestone. Reality keeps winning in court. The science keeps heading our way.

Even in Wales the Senedd has changed tone. The Welsh government could not ignore the Cass report as the debate showed. They are going to lose over the attempt to make quotas for 100% male Senedd. They are in denial about it, but things are heading the way of reality just way too slowly.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5066159-cass-report-debate-in-the-senedd-at-400-pm-today

When the Detrans cases pile up in the US in the next few years and clinics start closing down the climate online will start shifting our way big time.

https://cms.usdaw.org.uk/Publications/Publications/Changing-Gender-Understanding-the-Issues-(Leaflet

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highame · 02/05/2024 08:38

Wasn't the TWAW mantra incorporated into many TU manifestos by stealth and very few votes? I remember the outrage but can't remember the finer details.

So, excellent and not before time. However, TU's are manifestly misogynistic, I think it's part of the furniture. The debate has always been men earning a family wage therefore women irrelevant. The change to supporting women has been incredibly creaky and slow.

sweetsardineface · 02/05/2024 10:03

Brilliant. I wish I could join USDAW. How many of us have left our unions over this?

ArabellaScott · 02/05/2024 10:10

fromorbit · 01/05/2024 14:55

Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers delegates representing 369,437 workers voted to support Single Sex provisions yesterday.

Simon Naylor
Delivered my proposition yesterday in support of Single Sex Provisions and clear language around sex and gender at USDAW24 Annual Delegate Meeting for Usdaw Union

It raised good debate and was carried by vote of 60.5%
https://twitter.com/bobisahamster/status/1784902865028321353

See link for Simon's great speech in support of the motion. Sexism inside the trade union movement has been stopped before and will be again.

Reading that speech, I'm wondering if Simon has visited these boards ...

'no is a complete sentence'. Indeed. 😁

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/05/2024 16:36

This is great.

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