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Proposed Pride march could be alternative for ‘fed up’ lesbians this summer

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IwantToRetire · 28/04/2024 00:21

Women’s rights campaigners are planning to hold an alternative march for <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/FRlcd/www.telegraph.co.uk/lgbt/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">lesbians this summer because they no longer feel represented at London’s official <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/FRlcd/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/02/24/objecting-pride-not-homophobic-tory-party/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Pride celebrations.

Jenny Watson, the organiser of the event, claimed the capital’s Pride parade has become dominated by the transgender movement and men indulging in sexual fetishes.

She claimed that those in charge of London Pride have made it clear that <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/FRlcd/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/22/shadow-justice-secretary-agrees-jk-rowling-biological-sex/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">“gender-critical” women who disagree with the idea of men identifying as female being classed as lesbian are unwelcomed.

Ms Watson, a lesbian herself, also claimed women now feel uncomfortable at Pride marches due to the growing presence of men wearing “hypersexualised” outfits such as bondage gear.

From a longer article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/27/alternative-pride-march-could-be-held-for-fed-up-lesbians/

Can also be read at https://archive.ph/FRlcd

Proposed Pride march could be alternative for ‘fed up’ lesbians this summer

New parade plans follow claims of recent celebrations becoming ‘hypersexualised’ and ‘dominated by trans movement’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/27/alternative-pride-march-could-be-held-for-fed-up-lesbians

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Primroseoil · 28/04/2024 00:26

Brilliant for all lesbians.. So depressing seeing the signs reading "lesbians love dyke dick" 🤮🤮🤮
Pride has been overcome with drag & trans porno innuendos 🤮

IwantToRetire · 28/04/2024 00:32

Jenny Watson seems to be a one woman campaigner by putting into place lesbian focused outcomes!

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Primroseoil · 28/04/2024 00:36

Good on her. The trans "women" are completely invading & impinging on lesbians, it's utterly depraved.

Tallisker · 28/04/2024 16:29

I'd like to attend that

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/04/2024 16:39

As a straight woman with a young DD who is bi/lesbian (depending on the day of the discussion) I really struggle with taking her to Pride. She's asked to go three years in a row. We went the first year and had to have lots of conversations about pervy men aspects of the event. I refused one year and we were double booked last time.

A lesbian event, which I assume would be more family-friendly in every way, would be brilliant for her. Being part of a community, actual pride with a small P, is important for youngsters. But young women being used as props in someone else's sexuality is something that happens to teenagers in general and lesbians in particular every day, it shouldn't happen at Pride.

2mummies1baby · 28/04/2024 17:19

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/04/2024 16:39

As a straight woman with a young DD who is bi/lesbian (depending on the day of the discussion) I really struggle with taking her to Pride. She's asked to go three years in a row. We went the first year and had to have lots of conversations about pervy men aspects of the event. I refused one year and we were double booked last time.

A lesbian event, which I assume would be more family-friendly in every way, would be brilliant for her. Being part of a community, actual pride with a small P, is important for youngsters. But young women being used as props in someone else's sexuality is something that happens to teenagers in general and lesbians in particular every day, it shouldn't happen at Pride.

I will copy and paste my comment from the other discussion, as it is relevant here:

Quote from Prof Stock: “It’s been obvious for a long time that official Pride marches are unfriendly places for lesbians who reject trans activist dogma, and some lesbians are also uncomfortable with the constant emphasis on male sexual interests.”

Absolutely this. I was talking to my sister about how I stopped going to Pride years ago because I was sick of seeing men walking around in assless chaps. My summation was, "Unfortunately, men ruin everything."

To summarise, this lesbian agrees that you shouldn't take your daughter to Pride! Such a sad state of affairs that I have to say that, but blame men.

Hopefully the lesbian pride will take off- there'll be loads of lesbian mummies and their kids there, so will be much more family friendly. Plus women know how to behave in public.

2mummies1baby · 28/04/2024 17:22

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2mummies1baby · 28/04/2024 17:32

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/04/2024 16:39

As a straight woman with a young DD who is bi/lesbian (depending on the day of the discussion) I really struggle with taking her to Pride. She's asked to go three years in a row. We went the first year and had to have lots of conversations about pervy men aspects of the event. I refused one year and we were double booked last time.

A lesbian event, which I assume would be more family-friendly in every way, would be brilliant for her. Being part of a community, actual pride with a small P, is important for youngsters. But young women being used as props in someone else's sexuality is something that happens to teenagers in general and lesbians in particular every day, it shouldn't happen at Pride.

I have absolutely no idea why my previous comment was deleted- it was just suggesting that, to give your daughter an age-appropriate sense of lesbian/bisexual community, you could maybe take her to a women's football or rugby match?

The only reason I can think of for it to have been deleted is that I used the phrase you used and crossed out in your comment!

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/04/2024 17:43

Interesting. The reporting watchers must be on the ball tonight. Nice having invisible babysitters monitoring everything.

DD already does some boxing with lovely women. Team sports are not her thing but we do know a lesbian couple who play rugby so maybe going to some of their matches is an option.

IwantToRetire · 28/04/2024 21:45

2mummies1baby · 28/04/2024 15:59

There is in fact an existing Lesbian Visibility Week Thread which it would have been good to have the House of Commons discussion on rather than separately.

But I made this a new thread because it is (hopefully) going to be an event in the future.

And given the hostility Jenny Watson has already faced from her other venture and the attacks on her for this, something that I hope those on FWR will monitor.

Just in case we are called on to garden or do something else pro-active and useful.

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IwantToRetire · 28/04/2024 21:52

the growing presence of men wearing “hypersexualised” outfits such as bondage gear

Unfortunately this has been going on for years, ever since Pride replaced Gay Liberation.

It was the full on queer bondage fixation which seemed to take over almost immediately. And at that stage many lesbians just gaver up going.

In the past the point of the Gay Liberation marches was that everyone looked so "ordianary" ie lesbians and gay men were (and still are) just ordinary members of the public.

But this display of queer homosexuality has been really negative.

As quoted in the article:

I’ve been going to London Pride since I was 18 years old and it used to be a family day out, but I wouldn’t bring my children there now it’s become so hypersexualised.

“One of the things that convinced me to stop going is the year before last when one of the floats was basically a bus full of men wearing leather straps with balls in their mouths.

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IwantToRetire · 29/04/2024 00:36

Just came across this and almost thought it should have its own thread (and if anyone wants to start one please do). Wasn't sure as written by and man, but appropriately here! But as it is about gay men it links to some of the issues raised by the OP.

Meet the mean boys of trans activism
How a loud bunch of gay men became the chief online enforcers of a homophobic ideology.

These men are conspicuously not very bright. They consider it likely that lesbians and gay men of the left who have spent decades fighting for gay rights all suddenly decided to become far-right haters of effeminate men and butch women one Wednesday afternoon in April 2015. They rant and rave about standing with their ‘trans siblings’, failing to notice that a very great proportion of that cohort are heterosexual men who merely enjoy cross-dressing and / or gatecrashing lesbian speed-dating events. They have somehow overlooked the well-evidenced fact, backed up by the Cass Review, that girls and boys who don’t conform to sex stereotypes are being led down the path of chemical castration and mutilation. All of this counts for nothing because it interferes with their Napoleonic levels of self-regard, and the opportunities that the noxious combination of social media and gender ideology gives to their appalling flaws.

Joining in with them are the ‘allies’, the uni-educated Poppys and Sheridans – heterosexuals of similarly rabid character who want a little taste of aggro. ‘Allies’ has really changed as a word. When one tunes in to a documentary about the Second World War nowadays and the voiceover says something like ‘By 1941 the Allies had taken Tobruk’, it’s hard not to picture a load of posh little twerps with 2:2s from the University of Winchester advancing tutting across the desert, sparkling with glitter and bedecked in rainbow lanyards.

The Twitter enforcers have been particularly awful when it comes to the hounding of the homespun LGB Alliance (funded entirely by public donations). They frequently describe this small assembly of lesbians and gay men as a ‘far-right hate group’ – despite the fact that many of them have been gay-rights campaigners for decades. Some were actually prominent in Stonewall before it became a trans-rights lobby group. The uh-oh men and their allies started tweeting this before the LGB Alliance even had a name. All it took was for barrister Allison Bailey to tweet that she’d met with some mates to discuss setting up an exclusively LGB campaign group, and genderist social media erupted with accusations of a new Kristallnacht. (A reminder here that Bailey is a black lesbian criminal-defence barrister with a lengthy history of advocating for racial equality and for representing the survivors of domestic violence and sexual abuse. An unlikely Nazi, you would think.)

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/28/meet-the-mean-boys-of-trans-activism

Its quite a long article. I just picked out some paragraphs.

Meet the mean boys of trans activism

How a loud bunch of gay men became the chief online enforcers of a homophobic ideology.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/28/meet-the-mean-boys-of-trans-activism

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IwantToRetire · 29/04/2024 16:56

I wonder if the author of the article about the "mean boys" will still be employed by the BBC for Dr Who?!

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2mummies1baby · 29/04/2024 17:03

IwantToRetire · 29/04/2024 16:56

I wonder if the author of the article about the "mean boys" will still be employed by the BBC for Dr Who?!

He's been openly gender critical for a long time- I don't think he still writes for Dr Who.

IwantToRetire · 29/04/2024 17:11

He's been openly gender critical for a long time- I don't think he still writes for Dr Who.

Thanks I didn't know that - are the two connected or just coincidence?

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2mummies1baby · 29/04/2024 17:20

IwantToRetire · 29/04/2024 17:11

He's been openly gender critical for a long time- I don't think he still writes for Dr Who.

Thanks I didn't know that - are the two connected or just coincidence?

So he stopped writing for the TV series before his first GC tweets, but he was meant to publish a Dr Who story in an anthology more recently- the other writers threatened to pull out if his story was included, so it was dropped.

IwantToRetire · 29/04/2024 17:39

2mummies1baby · 29/04/2024 17:20

So he stopped writing for the TV series before his first GC tweets, but he was meant to publish a Dr Who story in an anthology more recently- the other writers threatened to pull out if his story was included, so it was dropped.

How many lives are these bigots responsible for ruining.

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dnalerinrehtron · 30/04/2024 22:43

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/04/2024 16:39

As a straight woman with a young DD who is bi/lesbian (depending on the day of the discussion) I really struggle with taking her to Pride. She's asked to go three years in a row. We went the first year and had to have lots of conversations about pervy men aspects of the event. I refused one year and we were double booked last time.

A lesbian event, which I assume would be more family-friendly in every way, would be brilliant for her. Being part of a community, actual pride with a small P, is important for youngsters. But young women being used as props in someone else's sexuality is something that happens to teenagers in general and lesbians in particular every day, it shouldn't happen at Pride.

Hello, I'm Jenny from the article. I've just joined Mumsnet to reach out to you. Your feelings align perfectly with the purpose of our event. We're aiming for a day of celebration, not sexualisation. Our plan includes a march around Parliament Square followed by a 'party in the park.' It would be great to have you and your daughter join us. Please sign up here, so we can plan accordingly: https://lcommunity.co.uk/reclaimed/ Hopefully meet you in June!

Pride Reclaimed - L Community

Please note: Any male attempting to attend will be turned away. There are plenty of other events open to men, but this gathering will remain women-only. We’re excited to announce […]

https://lcommunity.co.uk/reclaimed/

dnalerinrehtron · 30/04/2024 23:22

IwantToRetire · 28/04/2024 00:32

Jenny Watson seems to be a one woman campaigner by putting into place lesbian focused outcomes!

Hi there! This is Jenny from the article.

Our goal is simple: to create a day that focuses on celebration, not sexualisation. We want to provide a space where every woman/girl feels welcome.

Our plan for the day includes a march around Parliament Square, where we'll raise our voices! Afterwards, we'll continue with a picnic in the park.

We understand the importance of creating a family-friendly environment, free from the discomfort of hypersexualised displays or inappropriate behaviour.

If you're interested in joining our celebration, please sign up using the link below. Your support will help us plan accordingly and ensure that everyone has a fantastic experience.

Sign up here: https://lcommunity.co.uk/reclaimed/

Let's reclaim Pride together and make it a day to remember!

Thanks so much for your words,
Jenny

Pride Reclaimed - L Community

Please note: Any male attempting to attend will be turned away. There are plenty of other events open to men, but this gathering will remain women-only. We’re excited to announce […]

https://lcommunity.co.uk/reclaimed/

IwantToRetire · 01/05/2024 00:08

@dnalerinrehtron how nice for you to respond. Shock

Just to say how much I admire the work you have and are taking on for actual lesbians.

But also, your description of what happened to Gay Liberation when it became Pride is so accurate.

I know so many lesbians who previously would never have thought twice about attending a GLF march, became not just alienated by butdisturbed by the way some gay men were turning such an important event into a self indulgent fetish ego trip.

Will share the link you have posted on facebook etc..

Flowers
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MrsTerryPratchett · 01/05/2024 01:06

Thanks @dnalerinrehtron

Lovely of you to come on!

SidewaysOtter · 01/05/2024 06:24

@dnalerinrehtron I just wanted to say that you are an amazing woman and I'm in awe of everything you’re doing.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 01/05/2024 07:06

Primroseoil · 28/04/2024 00:36

Good on her. The trans "women" are completely invading & impinging on lesbians, it's utterly depraved.

And they will try to steal this too

2mummies1baby · 01/05/2024 07:24

@dnalerinrehtron Oh wow! 😃 I actually feel like I am in the presence of lesbian royalty! You are an absolute hero- thank you so much for everything you do for lesbians.

I would love to come to the Lesbian Pride, but I have an extremely antisocial 17-month-old who would hate it! Hopefully it will still be running in a couple of years when she'll (fingers crossed) hate people less and can handle the crowds.

Btw, if you search for your name, you will find a lot of love for you on the Mumsnet feminism boards- it's how I first discovered you.