Humza Yousaf baffling tweet (TW: about s*xual assault)

[ValerieDoonican]

He can't really believe this can he?https://x.com/HumzaYousaf/status/1780538428158836800

His statement began:

‘If a man threatens to rape a woman he is unlikely to know whether she is born a woman or a trans woman’

That is a comment on a rapist’s ability to identify sex, not the law.

I think he misjudged his audience and assumed that most people would be aware on how hate crime legislation is applied. He should have to do a preamble to a tweet that goes “just like every other hate crime law….”

Yes, we agree about perception and the law.

We are disagreeing about the tweet.

So the point of the tweet was what? He hasn’t even mentioned perception.

and why the first sentence?

No, it’s not a comment on ability to identify sex. It is a comment if a man threatens a woman…as in he must perceive the person as being a woman, regardless of their actual sex

The point was to tell everyone that “this is not new” in terms of how hate crime laws are applied.

He mentions prejudice which is the act of perceiving and then pre- judging.

No it’s not. Prejudice and perception are not interchangeable.

No idea. I don't know how the law works in Scotland re exceptions afforded to religious beliefs.

@Merrymouse there's only one way to find out. A bloke needs to don a burka and go there to pray. There's is a significant and growing minority of 'trans identified' men who like to larp as devout Muslim women, so it's going to happen at some point.

ITS A LOVELY WEE BOAT AND IT DEFINATELY FLOATS

SORRY SHE IS A LOVELY WEE BOAT OR THEY IM NO SURE THE PRONOUN

She identifies as he - did you not see the blue funnel?? Jeezo 🙄

This is very good and bears repeating:

CantDealwithChristmas · Today 10:44

Today I've learned that Humza, in addition to now understanding what biological sex is, also doesn't understand how sexual assault works.

However given that he recognises no difference between men and women, I'm sure he'll be having a word with the Imam at his strictly sex-segregated mosque because that segregation is totally arbitrary and meaningless.

WHY, why, why is he tweeting stuff like this? He is the First Minister of a country. Climate change, WW3 looming, domestically there is child poverty and drugs deaths...and this is what he wants to use his platform to talk about. Words fail me.

It's a nonsensical tweet. What he's saying is that men who threaten rape to individual women are unlikely to know whether those women are actually male or not.

The perception element is not the issue with this tweet, and men who don't identify as women are also covered if it's in line with existing law. That's understandable but it's going to be vanishingly rare that people genuinely mistake an MTF or any other man for a female person.

The problem some people can see is that being a woman isn't about wearing a skirt or having long hair, it's about being female.

If all MTF trans people are considered "women" for the purpose of a misogyny law then "hate crime" in the extremely flimsy way it's applied in the HCA could be constructed about men who make little effort to "pass".

It seems to be a variant of the TRA tropes "how do you know what sex you are if you haven't been karyotyped" and "trans women have been around you in female only spaces for decades and they're indistinguishable from women so you wouldn't have noticed".

Men threatening rape are going much further than misogyny

With other types of hate crime its the perception of the victim that dictates whether its a crime or not.
Is he saying that with misogyny, is it the perception of the perpetrator that counts?

Yes, that too. Stupid man.

Really? I thought the intent of the perpetrator was the relevant factor.

There's a bit of a ratio going on, I wonder if it'll give the daftie pause for thought?

1.4 million views and only 1,100 likes.

I don't think there's a lot of disagreement about the perception element. And it's not that difficult to think of a scenario where a TW might be the victim of a crime with misogynistic intent - passing could be a very low bar if the perpetrator is a drunk man on a dark night.

Doesn't change the fact that what Humza is saying about it is total bollocks, unless you buy into the TRA view that nobody can tell the difference. Which I don't think even he believes, though he thinks he has to say it.

Doesn't change the fact that what Humza is saying about it is total bollocks, unless you buy into the TRA view that nobody can tell the difference. Which I don't think even he believes, though he thinks he has to say it.

Do you think he means threats made over the internet/ on Twitter?

That might be a smarter line to take, because nobody knows what you are on the internet.

But based what he's actually saying, this just seems to be more of the "you can't see someone's chromosomes" stuff.

We never voted him in as First Minister! Out he goes at the next election. And if, by any chance, he is re-elected, then Scots will deserve all they get!