Proposed Scottish Misogyny Law

[RebelliousCow]

Humsa Yousaf says TW will be protected by the proposed Scottish Misogyny Law:

"Humza Yousaf insisted that "anyone affected" by misogyny would be covered, whatever their biological sex"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw59e7dg2nlo

ScotGov are all about protecting men, even under a misogyny law.

"When asked whether fresh legislation would cover transgender women, Mr Yousaf said that it would, as whoever was directing misogynistic abuse would be unaware if a woman was trans or not."

Yeh, right! 😆

And what about when the misogyny is being perpertrated by a TW?

It would end up like the cases in South America whereby when a woman is murdered by a T W -it is not recorded as a 'Femicide' because the male murderer identifies as a woman. and when a TW is murdered by another male - it is recorded as a 'femicide' because the victim identifies as a woman.

But I'm GC and I agree with this stance. Surely like any hate crime, it's about the person perpetuating the abuse. If their intent is misogynistic, it should be recorded as such.

Misogyny specifically refers to acts of hatred perpetrated against women - It includes the term 'gyne'.

This absolute nonsense is just meant to further perpetuate the idea that males can be women, and If that is the case, then what is a woman?

Are you really suggesting that a woman is just a presentation, or an idea?

I would have thought the 'intent' in cases such as this would in fact be transphobic rather than misogynistic so would be covered under current hate laws?

They've already covered 'trans identities' in the recent legislation.

I cannot wait for the SNP to come knockng on my door asking for my vote.

@Jellybean85
But I'm GC and I agree with this stance. Surely like any hate crime, it's about the person perpetuating the abuse. If their intent is misogynistic, it should be recorded as such.

Why only TW? Why not all men? Logically, I mean.

My view is that the only time a misogyny law should protect male people is if they are perceived to be female by the perp - not by themselves - and the abuse/behaviour is misogynistic. But I would prefer it, if such a law was passed in England, that it would only protect women.

Of course not @Snowypeaks No need to be snarky over a minor disagreement

Maybe I need to clarify. It's irrelevant how the 'victim' identifies I was thinking more of a mistake on the part of the aggressor.

If they perceive someone as a woman and abuse them to my mind that should be included. It is motivated by hatred of women.

Similarly if someone calls someone a P*ki but they're mistaken and the person is actually a different ethnicity I think they're still guilty of racism 🤷🏻‍♀️

It is another friggin' big mess in the making. The SNP stumbles from one disaster to the next. You couldn't make it up....

What happens if a TW commits a misogynistic 'crime'? So far, what the Scottish government seems to do is to place them in a women's prison.

It may be possible for a man (however he identifies) to be the target of misogyny in some circumstances, especially when communication isn't face-to-face. For example if he has a feminine name, is pretending to be female online, or is able to briefly 'pass' for female in person (extremely rare and I'd say nigh on impossible to sustain for any length of time). Yeah it's possible he could be called a bitch, threatened with rape, sent a dick pic, groped. In error, so to speak, as the second the perpetrator knows the target isn't female, it's not misogyny.

I don't believe a man can ever experience misogyny as a woman does. He knows he has the physical strength of a man, not a woman (even if he's a weak, old or physically disabled man). He knows he can never be forcibly impregnated, he knows he can never be impregnated at all. Misogyny is a threat to women, stay in your place, or else...

Men will never get the 'or else' part, they will never truly understand it, most of them don't even realise that it's ALWAYS there. The power dynamics will never be equivalent.

Oh sorry @Snowypeaks tagged you by mistake!

And yes I would include all men if they were mistaken for women and subsequently abused based on the agressif thinking they were a woman. As distinct from a trans person being abused by someone who notices they're trans! That's covered by the existing new hate law

I have long lurked on this topic but seeing what HY has said today I came on to start a thread on this interview. Not just the point about the upcoming misogyny bill but also the fact that apparently when it comes to puberty blockers "clinicians are best placed not politicians, government ministers or myself as first minister." on prescribing. So those would be the clinicians who have been operating at Tavistock (and Sandyford) prescribing these drugs with no evidence. I am aghast at his utter idiocy for want of a better word.

And on the inclusion of TW in the misogyny bill it's a travesty. There is nothing that we are allowed just for women anymore - and by that I mean real women.

I wasn't being snarky - I wanted to know what your thought processes were. Which you have now clarified.

As I said earlier, I would normally agree that the perception of the aggressor matters. But in the case of misogyny, I say no - essentially for the same reasons as Esgaroth at 12:34.
In real-life scenarios, a man is more likely to be beaten up for being effeminate than because another man believes he is a woman.

I wasn't optimistic about this bill but they've floored me. How is this real life?? What happened to Scotland?

And also I agree with TeenTraumaTrials - can we not even have misogyny to ourselves? 😂

It's shit but at least it was our shit 😂

Hahaha god he’s a fuckwit

misogyny is a crime perpetrated against women, TW are men so covered by existing laws

this will 100% be used by TW to come after actual women to accuse them of misogyny

What happens if a TW commits a misogynistic 'crime'?

But we have been assured that this will never happen!! 😉

Humza knows how to endear himself to the electorate, eh?

The SNP are making the only counter-argument to Scottish independence necessary, aren't they?

Scotland is not a grown up country.

Trans women cannot be victims of misogyny for the same reason that they will never need to consult a gynaecologist.

The clue is literally in the words.

I wish they’d just focus on actual crime, not hurt feelings.

So men who identify as women have protection under the hate crime act of 2024 and men who identify as women will also have protection under the proposed Misogyny act.

Whereas women...

And by implication transmen aren’t covered

Hm. It's a fair point - I'd imagine they would be.

Overall, you can just tell this is going to be unworkable, though. Yet another fucking showboat legislation that is going to do more harm than good.