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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fall out of CASS report

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Sparklybutold · 16/04/2024 08:15

In light of the CASS report, there is still a long way to go. At least that's how it feels. I was bullied, harassed, discriminated against. I told my university there was a serious problem. I was ignored, shamed, and gaslit. By so called professionals. My qualification has been impacted. My physical health took a dive and there were times I thought I was losing my mind. I want to so desperately name and shame openly. I want to directly let the one person who instigated this know the damage they caused. Anyone else feel the same?

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RedToothBrush · 16/04/2024 11:02

Insurers aren't remotely interested in ideology. They are coldly only interested in risk profiles.

This alone has implications.

RethinkingLife · 16/04/2024 11:05

OhBuggerandArse · 16/04/2024 10:29

Oh ffs - a UCU women's committee has just passed a motion to condemn the Cass Report. How can they be so wickedly gullible? https://x.com/johnarmstrong5/status/1779462509797257559

Education, health and social care, the judiciary will all display the social psychology phenomenon of doubling down.

They may well succeed.

CocoapuffPuff · 16/04/2024 11:08

I'm very cynical and think it will get a lot worse, for women in particular, before it gets better. I see violence coming, sadly. I think the manly rage will be directed at random women too, like that pathetic Australian incel over the weekend. Women must be punished, and as the gang breaks up and back up from all their corporate and govt funded buddies withdraws, the fury will be unleashed on women. It will be all our fault for not doing what we were told.
I don't think we've even scraped the surface of these men's hatred for women.

IncompleteSenten · 16/04/2024 11:08

OhBuggerandArse · 16/04/2024 10:29

Oh ffs - a UCU women's committee has just passed a motion to condemn the Cass Report. How can they be so wickedly gullible? https://x.com/johnarmstrong5/status/1779462509797257559

It's not gullible at this point. It's doubling down rather than accept this whole thing is fucked up.

Never underestimate the lengths people will go to to avoid admitting perhaps they were wrong.

Many people have too much invested in this to back down easily.

In twenty years when the lawsuits start flooding in from adults who were transitioned as children who are suffering horribly as a result we'll see condemnation but enough time will have passed so those we should be pointing the finger at can say hey, it wasn't my fault

RedToothBrush · 16/04/2024 11:09

RethinkingLife · 16/04/2024 11:05

Education, health and social care, the judiciary will all display the social psychology phenomenon of doubling down.

They may well succeed.

They might do.

But the insurance and cost of health care will increasingly become a political issue in its own right to be used by opposition. Perhaps nefarious opposition with a desire to remove rights.

Reality doesn't stop because of the downplaying. And they will be fighting an increasingly big set of building issues resulting from lack of diligence.

Boiledbeetle · 16/04/2024 11:09

I have just noticed a fuck up in my previous post and I'm to late to edit

LIVES NOT LOVERS!!! FFS!😶

WarriorN · 16/04/2024 11:11

It's given credibility to 'Terfs'.

I've just been made aware of a Labour mp still dismissing women by saying that constituents contacted her saying theyve been vindicated by Cass. She's being critical here. Im furious

It's not about "we were right" it's about we were silenced. And we are still being silenced and batted away.

IncompleteSenten · 16/04/2024 11:13

CocoapuffPuff · 16/04/2024 11:08

I'm very cynical and think it will get a lot worse, for women in particular, before it gets better. I see violence coming, sadly. I think the manly rage will be directed at random women too, like that pathetic Australian incel over the weekend. Women must be punished, and as the gang breaks up and back up from all their corporate and govt funded buddies withdraws, the fury will be unleashed on women. It will be all our fault for not doing what we were told.
I don't think we've even scraped the surface of these men's hatred for women.

This is true.
We are seeing globally what appear to be massive attacks on women as a class.

The USA banning / heavily restricting abortion and now those same pressure groups starting to talk about banning birth control is terrifying, for example. It's just whispers right now but that's how the abortion bans started and how many of us were adamant that would never happen?

We are under attack and it is frustrating the number of women who can't see it.

Sparklybutold · 16/04/2024 11:35

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/04/2024 08:21

Flowers OP.
It's been like living in a dystopia as transactivism has been allowed to run unchecked through our institutions, schools etc trashing the social contract and harming so many children, women and men.
Hope that you know you're not alone .

I have made a formal complaint to staffs uni (sod it - I'm naming). Now I wait.

My DH took a while to understand it all as on the outside no one would have thought it was happening. He has now peaked. He is also slowly going through the CASS report.

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Sparklybutold · 16/04/2024 11:36

RethinkingLife · 16/04/2024 08:24

OP, the personal toll has been huge. So many of us have had difficulties with friends and family or lost them over this topic.

So many walk on eggshells in their workplace.

I wrote the following on the parliamentary debate on Cass thread. (You'll find other posters there talking about the impact on their mental health of all this on the most recent page.)

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5050831-debate-happening-in-house-of-commons-victoria-atkins-on-fire?

Cass is limited to one area with a narrow frame of reference and terms of reference.

For the rest…

Glinner has frequently said he thought, "This (prisons, women losing jobs etc.) will be the issue that wakes everyone up," and yet, every time, he was disappointed.

There have been so many times since the mid 2010s when posters have declared, "The tide/tanker is turning," only it hasn't.

This has been long in the planning. It will take a long time to recapture what women and children have lost, never mind convert our rights into things that are inalienable rather than a social nicety that can be withdrawn from us at someone's whim. (Where "someone" includes those that approach the status of vexatious litigants because they have been able to use the police as concierge service that enacts their airing of grudges and grievances.)

This is an election year. Trust no-one.

What matters is what happens in health and social care, in education, in the criminal and offender management systems, in the Civil Service, in NGOs and the third sector. What will the staff do there? What happens with media reporting? What will happen to domestic abuse refuges? What is the legacy of the arts centres and theatres that decided women can't have single-sex facilities?

What will happen to employers' workplace policies? To all those advisory groups for PCCs and boards that declare, in public, that GC beliefs are 'terrorism'?

This is a relative skirmish in what will be a decades long engagement.

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Sparklybutold · 16/04/2024 11:37

@DrJump 💐

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Sparklybutold · 16/04/2024 11:39

IncompleteSenten · 16/04/2024 08:39

It's far from over. Don't fool yourself. There is going to be a very strong push back from people who don't want to face the fact that a lot of harm has been done and it's being talked about and people are no longer accepting being silenced.

Celebrities and other high profile figures who did the whole TWAW no discussion or dissenting opinions allowed are going to try to quietly uturn and gaslight.

Celebrities who who burned bridges are going to need expensive pr input.

politicians are going to say they were lied to/misinformed / have reconsidered due to information they were not given at first and they'll find someone to blame.

men who have cynically abused the situation for their personal gratification are going to be furious. They are the biggest ongoing threat to women. Their motivation is the most disturbing and sinister and their misogyny and they believe women should do whatever we are told to do and prioritise men's feelings at all times and give them whatever they want regardless how it affects others.

parents who subjected their children to irreversible procedures or medications with life altering consequences are going to be hit hard and may need some support. Some may fight hard because they don't want to accept they may have caused their children lifelong harm regardless their intentions. They may be very angry with medical professional who they feel convinced them that they needed to do this to their child and seek to place 100% of the responsibility on to them.

bandwagon jumpers will just happily jump to the next bandwagon and carry on marching and screaming and no platforming and threatening and insulting in the name of equality and caring.

teens will move on to the next cool fad and being trans/NB will become 'lame'. Those who were doing the whole 'trendy' nb shit will quietly just stop doing it because it will no longer get good attention.

Children who were wrongly transitioned surgically or medically may well grow up and seek out legal help and sue the NHS, or government etc

When this fucking insanity is talked about in the future, the narrative will be that women were to blame and men stepped in and saved the day.

People with actual gender dysphoria will heave a collective sigh of relief and thank god they can just get the fuck on with their lives.

The instigator at staffs uni has moved on. Has ramped up her activism with what I can see. And is practicing. She harmed so many people.

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Sparklybutold · 16/04/2024 11:41

@IncompleteSenten @nauticant

I am now in contact with someone at staffs uni (who has been drafted in specifically to sort through the chaos left) and we have spoke about going to this persons MB. She has advised I don't as she is worried this person could be vindictive. Instead, she said she will do it. But I need to ensure this happens.

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Sparklybutold · 16/04/2024 11:44

highame · 16/04/2024 09:01

Are we in danger of hanging too much onto the Cass Report. It is a truly fantastic report but it is about children and their safety. It may well be bringing more sunlight but we still have to fight the adult issues such as women's spaces, sport, business.

I am breathing a sigh of relief but after all these years I know we have a long way to go. The capture of our institutions is mind boggling and although organisations such as Mermaids and Stonewall have taken major reputational damage over the past few years and especially in the light of Cass, they are still captured.

At least we can be grateful that safeguarding will be centre stage for a good few decades, or until the next adult fad comes along!

I worry about this too. So many inquiries with advisements, that never actually fruition into anything. Examples include - the childhood abuse enquiry, the police inquiry, covid enquiry, will this be any different?

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SidewaysOtter · 16/04/2024 11:47

WarriorN · 16/04/2024 09:09

And one of the biggest issues is that the universities have SO MUCH invested in this ideology. It's bringing in so much money.

Those who are researching the area and finding it lacking are still being vilified and criticised.

Is it bringing in lots of money? Maybe I've just not encountered it but there doesn't seem to be much research in this area. The campus activities I've seen are largely just the LGBTQ+ networks and the likes, which are voluntary networks run by staff, or UCU/student unions which are separate entities.

EasternStandard · 16/04/2024 11:47

I’m really sorry anyone is facing this at work or in rl

I’ve managed to keep it quite low key but have had a few heated discussions with close family

Most of it was just posters attacking on here but that’s small fry and easily moved on from

RebelliousCow · 16/04/2024 11:48

Yes, we've a long way to go. There will be some still putting the whole issue down to biased' right wing' politics and 'Tory culture wars', and assuming that when/if Labour gets elected they will be able to continue on as normal.

The next stage, should Labour be elected, will be to see how Starmer and Wes Streeting actively respond to the conclusions and findings in the Cass Review. Though, of course Starmer is still saying he wants to "modernise" the GRA making it easier, effectively, for people to Self ID - which in itself will simply create a continuity of culture in which confused and distressed young people will grow

The next thing that needs to be done is to very publicly de-construct the concept of the 'trans child'. Only when this is de-constructed will the public start to be able to see that that the whole 'trans identity' business is a construct.

RebelliousCow · 16/04/2024 11:53

Of course, there is going to have to be an eagle eyed over-sight of the new GIDS clinics that have already been set up in Liverpool and in London, and any in future, such as the proposed Bristol clinic.

CocoapuffPuff · 16/04/2024 11:57

We need to let people see that the ideology is a construct built to protect and build liberties for sexually abusive and deviant men's kinks and perversions. That link exists, not with most trans people, but with the men at the back, pushing this forward. The net was cast wide and the catch is simpky there to disguise the true motivation and intent. Who can see the Kracken through the huge shoal of sardines?

Jimmy Savill hid in plain sight. So did Gary Glitter and many others. This is just the same kind of man trying a different route and look how fucking far they've got.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 16/04/2024 12:05

In light of the CASS report, there is still a long way to go. At least that's how it feels. I was bullied, harassed, discriminated against. I told my university there was a serious problem. I was ignored, shamed, and gaslit. By so called professionals. My qualification has been impacted. My physical health took a dive and there were times I thought I was losing my mind. I want to so desperately name and shame openly. I want to directly let the one person who instigated this know the damage they caused. Anyone else feel the same?

I'm in the same boat but where I am they are pressing on regardless and it has become a battle over methodology.

I agree with Incompletesenten - there will be pushback.

DameMaud · 16/04/2024 12:06

I'm right there with you sparkly
I remember your posts from early on in the midst of what you were going through, and could relate, though from a less extreme experience than yours.
You're feelings about it all now, at this stage, are totally warranted.

Agree with Beetle's comment.

nauticant · 16/04/2024 12:16

Sparklybutold · 16/04/2024 11:44

I worry about this too. So many inquiries with advisements, that never actually fruition into anything. Examples include - the childhood abuse enquiry, the police inquiry, covid enquiry, will this be any different?

I read the Cass Review report as a political document, with Cass knowing she was operating within narrow constraints. It would have been so easy for her to have said something frank which could have led to her being denounced and the report discredited.

I think the report is written to deliver some fundamental messages:
(1) there is no evidence base;
(2) we need a comprehensive overhaul of child and adolescent services; and
(3) but (2) requires the development of an sound evidence base.

I think she knows that much of what is recommended in the report won't be acted on, but the need for a sound evidence base will be undeniable and it's essential for that to survive the cull.

highame · 16/04/2024 12:44

Reputational damage and academia to make you smile -

anyone remember Hugh Trevor Roper and the Hitler Diaries? Hugh smelt the diaries and on that basis, said they were real. Turned out, they were fake.

They don't seem to have learned the lessons do they?

This is much more serious, but being in a University doesn't prevent you from being completely bonkers, if you add in aggression and a strong communist ideology, there's your cancel culture writ large.

WarriorN · 16/04/2024 12:57

Sideways

I feel it is, perhaps not as much as other areas, but academics are publishing "queer" shit all over the shop.

I've been looking at educational institutions in particular. Those that train teachers.

I've also seen a few teachers re entering academia, jumping on the Edi inclusion bandwagon, with lgbtq as the primary driver.

Maybe it's because I'm looking for it?

In the last few years send inclusion stuff goes hand in hand with lgbtq

WarriorN · 16/04/2024 12:59

Eg how Shereen Benjamin, and eyfs lead lecturer was basically demoted in favour of the LGBT inclusive ones.