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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scarlet Blake: I'm now at Stage 2 of BBC complaints procedure

57 replies

RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 20:03

They really make you work for it. I've completed the two stages of Stage 1, now I get to escalate to the BBC's Executive Complaints Unit.

The second Stage 1 reply I got today said: "Our previous response pointed to the fact that Scarlet Blake was tried as a woman and the pronoun ‘she’ was used throughout those proceedings. This informed our coverage of the trial, which also referred to Blake being transgender once it became known, and where relevant."

This is my submission to the BBC ECU:

"I am dissatisfied with the response received at Stage 1 of the complaints progress because it failed to explain why your reports failed to make it clear that the man who calls himself Scarlet Blake is a man, i.e. a biological human male with male genitalia.
^^
Many people reading your reports would not have realised that Blake is a biological male with male genitalia, and thought it was a woman who had committed these horrific crimes. (It is, needless to say, vanishingly rare for real women to commit crimes of this nature).

The BBC’s Stage 1 response said that “Blake was tried as a woman and the pronoun ’she’ was used throughout the proceedings”.

“Tried as a woman”? This statement is meaningless. There is no difference to trial procedure based on an adult’s biological sex. It doesn’t explain why you failed to mention the important fact that Blake is a biological male with male genitalia.

The BBC’s Stage 1 response went on to say that “This informed our coverage of the trial, which also referred to Blake being transgender once it became known, and where relevant”.

Blake may wish to use female pronouns, he may 'identify’ as female, and the court and the police may have indulged this fantasy - but it does not change the hard scientific fact that he is a biological human male with male genitalia.

Mentioning that he is purportedly transgender in your reports does not change this hard scientific fact.

Biological fact is inarguably more “relevant” than Blake’s imaginary vagina, and it was highly misleading to the public to make no mention of the fact that Blake is a man.

Lastly, the fact is that regardless of Blake’s purported transgender status, and the use of female pronouns during the trial, he was sent to a men’s prison. Because he’s a man.

You are a news provider and you should present facts, not evade these material facts due to pandering to transgender ideology and gender-woo. This ideology has been exposed as dangerous and harmful by Dr Cass' report this week. In light of the report, I trust the BBC is now reconsidering its position."

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 20:05

👏👏
And yet she persisted..

RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 20:06

I'm a newbie in terms of making a stand... so yes, asking for validation that I'm doing it right.

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RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 20:07

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 20:05

👏👏
And yet she persisted..

Thanks!

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Redshoeblueshoe · 11/04/2024 20:07

You are doing a brilliant job there

DuesToTheDirt · 11/04/2024 20:10

I'm yet to do Stage 2. Thank you for your complaint. Mine is likely to say something similar. In my previous response to the BBC I also mentioned Justin Webb and their reprimanding him for describing transwomen as biological males, which I feel was deliberately trying to obscure the facts. I'm not sure though whether it is considered valid to bring in other actions by the BBC that are not part of their Scarlet Blake reporting.

JulesJules · 11/04/2024 20:16

Well done for not letting them off, their excuses are pitiful. This man also identified as a cat but for some reason they didn't refer to him throughout as a cat did they?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 20:18

The trouble is the BBC so complicit in all this that they're organisationally incapable of seeing their own bias.
The Nolan Investigates podcast into Stonewall and the BBC was very revealing. Senior people in the BBC warned them off investigating this, but they ignored it and went ahead. It really exposed the stranglehold that Stonewall and their allies have on the Corporation at all levels. A really good listen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph

BBC Sounds - Nolan Investigates - Available Episodes

Listen to the latest episodes of Nolan Investigates on BBC Sounds

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph

RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 20:19

DuesToTheDirt · 11/04/2024 20:10

I'm yet to do Stage 2. Thank you for your complaint. Mine is likely to say something similar. In my previous response to the BBC I also mentioned Justin Webb and their reprimanding him for describing transwomen as biological males, which I feel was deliberately trying to obscure the facts. I'm not sure though whether it is considered valid to bring in other actions by the BBC that are not part of their Scarlet Blake reporting.

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Although I'm a newbie in this field, I have past fighty performance, and I think it'd be better to stick to the topic and not introduce other stuff which can be dismissed as irrelevant.

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CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 11/04/2024 20:23

Thank you so much for doing this!

SchoolGuidanceQ · 11/04/2024 20:26

Did you see this? https://x.com/berk_hamstead/status/1778391077344465354?s=46&t=aj_daoQ4ub5R9J5oRcQ5qA

you are not alone! Good luck.

RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 20:31

SchoolGuidanceQ · 11/04/2024 20:26

Not on Twitter, but ooh, - and maybe no coincidence it's after Cass?

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PaleBlueMoonlight · 11/04/2024 20:34

This is great. I think the key point is that Blake is a man and therefore is misrepresenting himself as a women. The moment that the BBC (or any news outlet) realised that they were mistaken as to Blake's sex they should have switched to reporting accurately. The news outlet could also have set out that Blake says that he is a woman. This would have led nicely onto a report about how the court system and police are complicit in the lie and perhaps the BBC could have topped it off with some investigative journalism into why that is.

DuesToTheDirt · 11/04/2024 20:41

SchoolGuidanceQ · 11/04/2024 20:26

I haven't seen that news report before, only the online reports. Completely shocking.

Superlambaanana · 11/04/2024 20:42

JulesJules · 11/04/2024 20:16

Well done for not letting them off, their excuses are pitiful. This man also identified as a cat but for some reason they didn't refer to him throughout as a cat did they?

Bravo OP!

The cat point is really relevant. If someone misrepresented themselves in any other way (other than gender) it would be mentioned in a news report.

If someone claimed to have a particular disease and a court, in the absence of clear evidence one way or another, decided to admit the person's claim into evidence, and it later transpired that the person had no such disease, the news would report that the person had no such disease. They wouldn't keep referring to a cancer patient just because the individual continued to falsely claim they were one.

The question for me is why courts accept an obvious falsehood (man claiming to be a woman) and respect it. Courts are supposed to be places which value facts.

Superlambaanana · 11/04/2024 20:44

PaleBlueMoonlight · 11/04/2024 20:34

This is great. I think the key point is that Blake is a man and therefore is misrepresenting himself as a women. The moment that the BBC (or any news outlet) realised that they were mistaken as to Blake's sex they should have switched to reporting accurately. The news outlet could also have set out that Blake says that he is a woman. This would have led nicely onto a report about how the court system and police are complicit in the lie and perhaps the BBC could have topped it off with some investigative journalism into why that is.

Yes yes! You put it much better than I did!

RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 20:49

Who do we complain to about courts/police buying in to the self-identifying as female bollocks?

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Superlambaanana · 11/04/2024 20:52

RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 20:49

Who do we complain to about courts/police buying in to the self-identifying as female bollocks?

The Crown I suppose!

HappierTimesAhead · 11/04/2024 20:53

Great work!

RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 20:54

JulesJules · 11/04/2024 20:16

Well done for not letting them off, their excuses are pitiful. This man also identified as a cat but for some reason they didn't refer to him throughout as a cat did they?

Yup, I'd forgotten about that - wish I'd mentioned it.

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IWilloBeACervix · 11/04/2024 22:13

Keep complaining, I’m sure there’s going to be value in the long term of persisting in complaints,

but

I’ve just had a look through the ofcom bulletin board to see if they’ve responded to my complaint about the reporting about that man called Naomi in December.

I’ve had no response from ofcom.

There are 4 complaints listed against that article in the bulletin and they’ve been dismissed as not raising substantive issues under the editorial guidelines. So it appears that the bbc complaints process is the bbc marking itself against its own guidelines and the ofcom process is ofcom marking the bbc against the bbc’s guidelines.

The guidelines are key. Until they change, they will carry on dismissing complaints about reporting men as women.

next time I complain, I’m going to pay more attention to the guidelines. I did look at them and refer to them, but I’m sure I could have done better.

crunchermuncher · 11/04/2024 22:22

They make it so difficult.

Ofcom dismissed my complaint about this.

Bbc haven't even acknowledged my emails!

IPSO still considering it 🤞

RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 23:34

IWilloBeACervix · 11/04/2024 22:13

Keep complaining, I’m sure there’s going to be value in the long term of persisting in complaints,

but

I’ve just had a look through the ofcom bulletin board to see if they’ve responded to my complaint about the reporting about that man called Naomi in December.

I’ve had no response from ofcom.

There are 4 complaints listed against that article in the bulletin and they’ve been dismissed as not raising substantive issues under the editorial guidelines. So it appears that the bbc complaints process is the bbc marking itself against its own guidelines and the ofcom process is ofcom marking the bbc against the bbc’s guidelines.

The guidelines are key. Until they change, they will carry on dismissing complaints about reporting men as women.

next time I complain, I’m going to pay more attention to the guidelines. I did look at them and refer to them, but I’m sure I could have done better.

Thanks for the heads up. I will look up the guidelines.

And yeah, I sense that it's an unfair game playing exercise, where they 'get' you for not knowing the rules they haven't told you about.

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nauticant · 11/04/2024 23:49

When complaining to the BBC, to make things clear it's good to have regard to the BBC Charter:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/about/how_we_govern/2016/charter.pdf

The full title is:

Royal Charter for the continuance of the British Broadcasting Corporation

That is, in order for the BBC to continue to exist, it must abide by the Charter.

Read section 6, The Public Purposes, and particularly sub-section (1) . This sets out in nice clear terms why the BBC was wrong over Scarlet Blake.

RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 23:57

nauticant · 11/04/2024 23:49

When complaining to the BBC, to make things clear it's good to have regard to the BBC Charter:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/about/how_we_govern/2016/charter.pdf

The full title is:

Royal Charter for the continuance of the British Broadcasting Corporation

That is, in order for the BBC to continue to exist, it must abide by the Charter.

Read section 6, The Public Purposes, and particularly sub-section (1) . This sets out in nice clear terms why the BBC was wrong over Scarlet Blake.

Thank you. Will absorb in readiness for the next complaint - as I presume the Executive Complaints Procedure will be at least two steps as with Stage 1.

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Appalonia · 12/04/2024 00:14

EXCELLENT letter OP, sticking to the facts and not letting them weasel out of it. Bloody well done!