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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scarlet Blake: I'm now at Stage 2 of BBC complaints procedure

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RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 20:03

They really make you work for it. I've completed the two stages of Stage 1, now I get to escalate to the BBC's Executive Complaints Unit.

The second Stage 1 reply I got today said: "Our previous response pointed to the fact that Scarlet Blake was tried as a woman and the pronoun ‘she’ was used throughout those proceedings. This informed our coverage of the trial, which also referred to Blake being transgender once it became known, and where relevant."

This is my submission to the BBC ECU:

"I am dissatisfied with the response received at Stage 1 of the complaints progress because it failed to explain why your reports failed to make it clear that the man who calls himself Scarlet Blake is a man, i.e. a biological human male with male genitalia.
^^
Many people reading your reports would not have realised that Blake is a biological male with male genitalia, and thought it was a woman who had committed these horrific crimes. (It is, needless to say, vanishingly rare for real women to commit crimes of this nature).

The BBC’s Stage 1 response said that “Blake was tried as a woman and the pronoun ’she’ was used throughout the proceedings”.

“Tried as a woman”? This statement is meaningless. There is no difference to trial procedure based on an adult’s biological sex. It doesn’t explain why you failed to mention the important fact that Blake is a biological male with male genitalia.

The BBC’s Stage 1 response went on to say that “This informed our coverage of the trial, which also referred to Blake being transgender once it became known, and where relevant”.

Blake may wish to use female pronouns, he may 'identify’ as female, and the court and the police may have indulged this fantasy - but it does not change the hard scientific fact that he is a biological human male with male genitalia.

Mentioning that he is purportedly transgender in your reports does not change this hard scientific fact.

Biological fact is inarguably more “relevant” than Blake’s imaginary vagina, and it was highly misleading to the public to make no mention of the fact that Blake is a man.

Lastly, the fact is that regardless of Blake’s purported transgender status, and the use of female pronouns during the trial, he was sent to a men’s prison. Because he’s a man.

You are a news provider and you should present facts, not evade these material facts due to pandering to transgender ideology and gender-woo. This ideology has been exposed as dangerous and harmful by Dr Cass' report this week. In light of the report, I trust the BBC is now reconsidering its position."

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JulesJules · 12/04/2024 06:38

Interesting - someone on twitter/X has had an email from the BBC Executive Complaints Unit (after escalating twice) saying that their coverage of this case breached their standards of accuracy
https://twitter.com/berk_hamstead/status/1778391077344465354

And there will be a published response soon, in view of the number of complaints received.

Well done everyone who complained.

https://twitter.com/berk_hamstead/status/1778391077344465354

RogueFemale · 12/04/2024 16:15

Reply from BBC ECU:

11 April 2024

BBC News Coverage of the trial and sentencing of Scarlet Blake

The Executive Complaints Unit (ECU) has received complaints about television and online reporting by BBC News of the trial and conviction of Scarlet Blake at Oxford Crown Court. Complainants have raised a number of concerns about the accuracy and impartiality of the BBC coverage. Each complaint has been read and considered.

The ECU usually issues an individual response to each complaint it receives but the BBC’s published policy for handling complaints provides for it to reply to a number of complaints about the same issue by compiling a summary of the main points raised, considering them together and producing a single response. On this occasion, in view of the number of complaints received, we have decided to issue a single response, in the form of a finding by the ECU. The finding addresses all the significant points of complaint and assesses them against the BBC’s editorial standards, as set out in its Editorial Guidelines and related Guidance. We believe this approach is proportionate and the most effective way to ensure value for money for all licence fee payers.

This finding uses she/her pronouns in reference to Scarlet Blake, as was done during the trial. This does not indicate a view on which pronouns might be appropriate in other contexts.

Issues of Complaint:

Accuracy:

A number of complainants said it was inaccurate and misleading to refer to Scarlet Blake as a woman and to use she/her pronouns in reports of the case at Oxford Crown Court. For example:

The BBC is persisting in lying to its audience in describing a man as a female both before and after conviction for animal cruelty and murder.

And:

It is an absolute disgrace that you attribute the crime of a male to a woman by using the pronoun ‘she’.

The majority of the complainants made specific reference to a report on the BBC News (1pm) on 26 February 2024 (the day on which Scarlet Blake was sentenced) or to the initial version of a report on the Oxford page of the BBC News website published on 23 February, (the day on which Blake was found guilty of murder), both of which termed Blake a woman, with no reference to her trans status. The ECU has therefore considered whether the omission of any reference to Blake as a trans woman meant the two reports failed to meet the BBC standards for accuracy.

The ECU noted that Blake’s trans status was not known to the BBC (or, as far as it could establish, to other media) until it was introduced by the defence on 19 February. The police made no reference to it in their pre-trial briefing, it formed no part of the prosecution case, and Blake was referred to as a woman throughout the court proceedings. There was therefore no question of referring to sex recorded at birth or using anything other than she/her pronouns until gender identity was introduced by the defence on 19 February, on the basis that Blake claimed her experience of coming out as transgender and her parents’ adverse reaction to it accounted for much of her subsequent behaviour.

The ECU noted the majority of subsequent BBC reports did refer to Blake’s gender identity, and considered that the omission of such information in the two instances specified by complainants, in a context where it had become material to an understanding of the case, amounted to a breach of the BBC’s standards of accuracy.

In relation to the report in the 26 February bulletin, BBC News published a posting on the BBC Complaints website on 1 March acknowledging that the information that Blake is a transgender woman should have been included, and this was made clear to all complainants in correspondence before the matter was escalated to the ECU. In relation to the report on the Oxford page of the BBC News website, the ECU noted that information about Blake’s transgender status had been added within an hour of its initial publication. The ECU considered these actions to be sufficient to resolve the issue of complaint. However, since there was a breach of the BBC’s editorial standards in the first instance, a summary of this Unit’s finding will be posted on the complaints section of the BBC website as a further public acknowledgement of the error which occurred. The summary will appear later today at https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/recent-ecu, and I enclose a copy for your information.

This point of complaint has been resolved.

A small number of complainants raised a separate concern about accuracy, on the basis that references to Blake as a “trans woman” were materially misleading because the term is either not understood or misunderstood by many members of the public.
While acknowledging that the term is not universally understood, the ECU noted that the concept of gender identity and the terms trans woman and trans man are widely used in public discourse and by relevant authorities such as the NHS when referring to people with gender dysphoria. In the ECU’s view, therefore, the extent to which members of the audience would have been misled by the use of the term in question was limited and did not justify departing from the BBC’s published policy and associated guidance when reporting sex and gender.

This point of complaint is not upheld.

Impartiality:

A small number of complainants said the decision by BBC News to use the accused’s chosen gender identity was evidence of a lack of due impartiality in a controversial area.

For example:

By calling this individual a woman repeatedly with no prominent mention of his sex, you gave ‘the impression of endorsing one viewpoint in a highly controversial area’ - ie you endorsed the viewpoint that self ID trumps sex.

The BBC recognises there is controversy over the distinction between sex and gender. People who experience a difference between the sex registered on their birth certificate and their gender identity may describe themselves as transgender. Some others may take the view that gender is entailed in what is often referred to as biological sex, and cannot be changed. Against this background, a simple refusal to use the terms in which people who regard themselves as transgender describe themselves would in effect be an endorsement of one viewpoint in this controversy, and the ECU considers impartiality is best served by the
BBC’s policy of using language and terminology which is clear and appropriate to the context, taking account of the subject and nature of the content.

This point of complaint is not upheld

There is no further right of appeal against the Executive Complaints unit’s decision within the BBC’s complaints process but complainants who wish to take the matter further can ask the broadcasting regulator, Ofcom, to consider their complaint. Details of how to contact Ofcom and the procedures it will apply can be found at the following website: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/how-to-report-a-complaint.  Complainants can also write to Ofcom at Riverside House, 2a Southwark Bridge Road, London SE1 9HA, or telephone either 0300 123 3333 or 020 7981 3040.

Yours sincerely

Fraser Steel
Head of the Executive Complaints Unit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/

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CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 12/04/2024 18:09

Of course the word "man" is too dangerous to use even once in the entire letter 🙄This is all so rage inducing, thanks for fighting OP.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 12/04/2024 18:26

Ah well, it's off to ofcom we go.

Please anyone reading this who still pays their TV license, don't. You don't have to as long as you don't watch live TV. It's basically Savile 'nothing to see here's safeguarding disaster all over again.

RogueFemale · 12/04/2024 18:51

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 12/04/2024 18:26

Ah well, it's off to ofcom we go.

Please anyone reading this who still pays their TV license, don't. You don't have to as long as you don't watch live TV. It's basically Savile 'nothing to see here's safeguarding disaster all over again.

Yes indeed, Ofcom next. First, I'm going to submit a FOI request to the BBC to find out how many complaints it received.

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RogueFemale · 12/04/2024 18:59

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 12/04/2024 18:09

Of course the word "man" is too dangerous to use even once in the entire letter 🙄This is all so rage inducing, thanks for fighting OP.

Yes it's infuriating, but I'll plough on.

Hopefully a FOI request for complaint numbers will reveal a significant number.

A close reading of BBC charter, as suggested by a PP.

Mention that blake also self-ID'ed as a cat, as suggested by a PP.

Cass report helps hugely, also.

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BeyondHumanKenneth · 12/04/2024 19:19

This sentence is key if you can decipher it.

"Against this background, a simple refusal to use the terms in which people who regard themselves as transgender describe themselves would in effect be an endorsement of one viewpoint in this controversy, and the ECU considers impartiality is best served by the
BBC’s policy of using language and terminology which is clear and appropriate to the context, taking account of the subject and nature of the content."

BBC effectively saying this is a controversy where taking one side (reporting self ID) is fine but taking the other (reporting sex) would be biased.

Absolutely stunning that any journalist could produce such a mess of a sentence which completely proves the point they are trying to rebut!

The ECU really don't seem very bright. It would be funny if these decisions weren't so consequential for the future of our national broadcaster whose journalism I once respected.

LipstickLil · 12/04/2024 19:23

Biological fact is inarguably more “relevant” than Blake’s imaginary vagina

Blake's imaginary vagina? I love it! 😆😆😆

RogueFemale · 12/04/2024 19:44

LipstickLil · 12/04/2024 19:23

Biological fact is inarguably more “relevant” than Blake’s imaginary vagina

Blake's imaginary vagina? I love it! 😆😆😆

Yes I was particularly pleased with that bit, lol!

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RogueFemale · 12/04/2024 19:46

BeyondHumanKenneth · 12/04/2024 19:19

This sentence is key if you can decipher it.

"Against this background, a simple refusal to use the terms in which people who regard themselves as transgender describe themselves would in effect be an endorsement of one viewpoint in this controversy, and the ECU considers impartiality is best served by the
BBC’s policy of using language and terminology which is clear and appropriate to the context, taking account of the subject and nature of the content."

BBC effectively saying this is a controversy where taking one side (reporting self ID) is fine but taking the other (reporting sex) would be biased.

Absolutely stunning that any journalist could produce such a mess of a sentence which completely proves the point they are trying to rebut!

The ECU really don't seem very bright. It would be funny if these decisions weren't so consequential for the future of our national broadcaster whose journalism I once respected.

Yup, it's mealy-mouthed bollocks.

Anyway, FOI now submitted, and then next steps.

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borntobequiet · 13/04/2024 08:42

Well done, @RogueFemale. I admire your persistence (and turn of phrase) so much.

crunchermuncher · 13/04/2024 08:55

Thanks to all who are persisting.

I have asked whether if a criminal identifies as innocent the media should describe them as such. If not, why do we allow this? Waiting with bated breath for the wordsalad justification informative reply to wing its way to me.

Ps Blakes imaginary vagina sounds like a band. Maybe prog rock....

DuesToTheDirt · 13/04/2024 10:52

Thanks all, I will go through this thread for pointers when I compose my reply.

paisley256 · 13/04/2024 10:55

Thank you so much.

DuesToTheDirt · 13/04/2024 10:55

Arrgh, just read the ECU response above and now I'm enraged by their use of "she"!

highame · 13/04/2024 11:14

There's another issue with the BBC. It is now pushing into the US market and the BBC (funded by us), may well find itself in difficulties with Democrats, many of whom are fully onboard the TransTrain. The BBC may not wish to cause offence or show bias towards GC arguments because this might impact on the capturing of US audiences.

I'd like to know more about how, especially in the light of Cass, the BBC intends to straddle the earth. It's new audiences may well be the metropolitan elites and many have strong views about Gender which may not align with GC views.

Any thoughts?

everythingthelighttouches · 13/04/2024 11:49

“Against this background, a simple refusal to use the terms in which people who regard themselves as transgender describe themselves would in effect be an endorsement of one viewpoint in this controversy, and the ECU considers impartiality is best served by the
BBC’s policy of using language and terminology which is clear and appropriate to the context, taking account of the subject and nature of the content."

BBC effectively saying this is a controversy where taking one side (reporting self ID) is fine but taking the other (reporting sex) would be biased.

This point (made by a poster above) is exactly what I think needs to be brought to OffCom.

If they are picking a side, the least the BBC could do is just make a simple, one line explanation at the beginning of their pieces??
Why can’t they just state what they’ve written in their statement??

Why can’t the BBC start their piece explaining that this is a controversial area but this person is identifying as the opposite sex and that therefore throughout the article, the BBC will use the pronouns chosen by the person.

especially in relation to rape and other violent crime as biological sex is an important driver of these crimes!!!

RogueFemale · 13/04/2024 21:59

@everythingthelighttouches I am going to exquisitely hone the arguments to Ofcom. I can do it (even though I'm a novice in this field).* I'll post a draft here for comment before I submit.

*There's also massive 'village politics' kicking off back home... le sigh.

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RogueFemale · 23/04/2024 21:42

My FOI request to BBC refused.
"If held, the information you have requested is held for the purposes of art, journalism or literature'. The FOI Act provides that the BBC is not obliged to disclose this type of information...'

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RogueFemale · 23/04/2024 21:43

I asked how many complaints they'd received re Scarlet Blake reporting.

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crunchermuncher · 23/04/2024 21:56

That's interesting. Do they tell you why they 'aren't obliged'?

Someone needs to hold the BBC to account for its stance of this issue especially in the light of Cass. Secretary of State for Media, Culture and Sport?

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lanadelgrey · 23/04/2024 22:22

Does it make sense to ask the Baroness to co-ordinate a push to get figures? It looks like the sort of thing she’d enjoy getting to the bottom of?
Brilliant persistence so far but all hands to the pump.
Sadly I can’t join in with the push but am cheering you on

RogueFemale · 23/04/2024 22:23

lanadelgrey · 23/04/2024 22:22

Does it make sense to ask the Baroness to co-ordinate a push to get figures? It looks like the sort of thing she’d enjoy getting to the bottom of?
Brilliant persistence so far but all hands to the pump.
Sadly I can’t join in with the push but am cheering you on

Which baroness? (sorry don't know, I'm a newbie)

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NonLinguisticRhetoricIsMyKryptonite · 23/04/2024 22:24

RogueFemale · 23/04/2024 22:23

Which baroness? (sorry don't know, I'm a newbie)

Baroness Nicholson

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