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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Political party responses to the Cass Review

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RedToothBrush · 11/04/2024 07:23

I've seen a number of comments from various Labour sources and from the PM.

But utter silence from the Lib Dems, Greens & SNP.

Can anyone direct me to their statements?

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Skyellaskerry · 11/04/2024 07:33

I’m also interested in Scottish comment including Scottish Labour.

Crouton19 · 11/04/2024 07:50

On Tuesday night the LDs tweeted to support a ban on conversion therapy. Nothing since then on the Cass review.

ETA There is a piece in Lib Dem Voice which is an unofficial but well supported LD news site. https://www.libdemvoice.org/the-culture-war-of-the-gendercritical-has-broken-the-nhs-74990.html#comments

Waitwhat23 · 11/04/2024 08:38

Maggie Chapman of the Scottish Greens has said the following -

' The Scottish Greens have said they will oppose any move to increase the age of accessing gender affirming care to 25.
Maggie Chapman MSP said: “It is clear that gender affirming care plays a vital role in supporting and protecting trans people, and we would oppose any moves to increase the minimum age to 25 to receive such care.

“With waiting times still up to five and a half years, it’s clear a lot of work remains. I’m glad the Cass Report acknowledges that this situation is completely unacceptable, and we’ll continue to work with the Scottish Government and gender identity services to bring those times down to acceptable levels'

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,snp-mp-joanna-cherry-calls-for-gender-services-redesign-and-end-to-puberty-blockers-following-cass-review#:~:text=The%20Cass%20review%20%E2%80%93%20named%20after,and%20a%20mental%20health%20assessment.

In response to a question asked by Johann Lamont, Ash Regan of the SNP has said that she has written to the First Minister -

https://x.com/AshReganALBA/status/1778139122978210046

I haven't seen an official statement from the SNP, only this -

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/scottish-government-government-nhs-england-snp-scottish-b1150524.html

https://x.com/AshReganALBA/status/1778139122978210046

SirChenjins · 11/04/2024 08:43

The SNP will no doubt find something very interesting to look at on the ceiling whilst pointing at squirrels - so don't expect anything from them any time soon. They'll push this down the road until it becomes obvious that they can't ignore the evidence and only when they are pushed by women like Joanna Cherry and Ash Regan will they then announce their own consultation (which will last around 5 years) because the oh-so-unique needs of the Scottish people need to be taken into account. We've got very used to their methods up here.

Beeryesterday · 11/04/2024 08:50

Maggie Chapman MSP said: “It is clear that gender affirming care plays a vital role in supporting and protecting trans people, and we would oppose any moves to increase the minimum age to 25 to receive such care.

We’re so lucky in Scotland to have access to such expertise. An expert paediatrician has just spent four years working on a report that confirms that gender affirming care is not the best way forward, but Maggie Chapman is so insightful that it is clear to her that it is. No need to provide any reason for thinking that, because it’s clear.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 11/04/2024 17:06

https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1778081903993614522

Asked to speak with Health Secretary Neil Gray on the Cass review and any impact in Scotland but apparently this is an issue for clinicians and not politicians and the CMO nor his deputies were available today.

https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1778081903993614522

ArabellaScott · 11/04/2024 17:08

Beeryesterday · 11/04/2024 08:50

Maggie Chapman MSP said: “It is clear that gender affirming care plays a vital role in supporting and protecting trans people, and we would oppose any moves to increase the minimum age to 25 to receive such care.

We’re so lucky in Scotland to have access to such expertise. An expert paediatrician has just spent four years working on a report that confirms that gender affirming care is not the best way forward, but Maggie Chapman is so insightful that it is clear to her that it is. No need to provide any reason for thinking that, because it’s clear.

Come on, now. Maggie knows best. You can tell by how wide she opens her eyes.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 11/04/2024 17:14

Why should the Tories comment on Cass? They’ve never pushed trans rights and the related medical abuse of children. Whether they’ve done enough to oppose trans nonsense might be asked.

ArabellaScott · 11/04/2024 17:23

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 11/04/2024 17:14

Why should the Tories comment on Cass? They’ve never pushed trans rights and the related medical abuse of children. Whether they’ve done enough to oppose trans nonsense might be asked.

Theresa May, Penny Mordaunt, Caroline Nokes and others have persistently pushed trans rights.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 11/04/2024 17:32

ArabellaScott · 11/04/2024 17:23

Theresa May, Penny Mordaunt, Caroline Nokes and others have persistently pushed trans rights.

Sure, but not as an article of faith in the way Labour, SNP and others have done. I agree there’s been too much pandering to trans bullshit across the board, but there are feeble taggers-along and then there are serious, shameful culprits.

Snowypeaks · 11/04/2024 17:39

Being apathetic about the possibility of damage is slightly better than pushing it, but not a lot.

What I want to know is where is the outrage? Why does nobody (who didn't before) seem to grasp the implications of this report? The zealots who are doubling down are doing what we knew they would, but what about all the other politicians in all the parties?

RedToothBrush · 11/04/2024 17:42

So in summary

Tumbleweeds

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lechiffre55 · 11/04/2024 17:43

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 11/04/2024 17:14

Why should the Tories comment on Cass? They’ve never pushed trans rights and the related medical abuse of children. Whether they’ve done enough to oppose trans nonsense might be asked.

They comissioned the Cass report. Surely that counts for something?

Snowypeaks · 11/04/2024 18:01

It does count for a lot, so it seems even odder that they are being so low key about the findings now. It's a really big deal. I have the uncomfortable feeling that they are still putting party unity ahead of taking a clear stand and leading on the issue. I suppose I was expecting a stronger statement or the announcement of a parliamentary debate. Perhaps they think they are distancing themselves from the failures of Gids.

lechiffre55 · 11/04/2024 18:51

@Snowypeaks
I would like to be charitable, perhaps too charitable, in assuming good intentions from the Tories not making a big political song and dance about it. I saw Wes Streeting on a TV show saying Labour would support the Cass report, but he also seemed to say something small but important, something about working cross party, or working with the Tories on this.
I have rated Wes very highly for a long time. When Corbyn lost the 2019 election there were talking heads blowing acres of hot air like Richard Burgon with his head up his own arse. Wes was the exact opposite, he acknowledged the defeat and the size of the defeat, and that voters weren't buying what Labour were selling. He was an honest and reflective man.
With Wes mentioning cross party support with the Tories on Cass, and Wes being a stand up guy, and it being Wes' brief, there is a chance there's a truce on on this one subject. Maybe some politicians are going to do the unimaginable and work together to get something important fixed instead of playing political football. It's not close between Labout and the Tories and maybe the few sane political heads there are, are working together on this. Wes didn't try and blame the Tories. Neither side has blamed each other on the Cass report.
I propose this as one possible explanation that neither Labour not the Tories are using this very serious issue to batter the fuck out of each other. If it gets fixed now with cross party support, both parties get to dodge the fallout. The Tories can't go any further behind Labour in the polls. Trying to fix it after the election invites the attention of the lunatics for Labour. Now is a good time.
I'm pretty sure when the decision in 1997 was taken to remove the power to decide intrest rates off The Chancellor, and give it to the Bank Of England, it was a similar deal. Both main parties were tried of it being used a political cudgel and didn't want it being decided by approaching elections. A deal was done for the good of everyone. The deal wasn't weaponised.

Snowypeaks · 11/04/2024 18:56

lechiffre55

You could well be right. I don't know how politicians think, but if it results in getting something done, that is a plus. I just hope that cross-party support doesn't mean compromising on the essentials.

lechiffre55 · 11/04/2024 19:08

@Snowypeaks
The speed with which Wes responded, and the total lack of any wishy washy avoiding the question Starmerness gives me hope.
Starmer doesn't seem to know which side of the bed to get out of in the morning, but Wes has clearly tackled the Cass report head on and embraced it.
If Starmer were taking the lead on this he'd be asking, Ok so where do we stand on cervixes now? Does the Cass report say who has them? I think ( pray and hope ) Wes is in charge on this and I think Starmer is grateful.
I hope I'm right on both parties working together.
I do wonder if some politicians can see the avalanch of fallout and blame starting to rumble down the mountain towards them and are having to make some serious decisions very quickly about do they want to still be in the path of the avalanch of blame when it arrives. This isn't going to be over next week, this is years of blame and enquiries, one head rolling isn't going to be enough. I suspect some politicians self preservation spidey senses are in overdrive right now.

Waitwhat23 · 11/04/2024 20:37

Snowypeaks · 11/04/2024 18:56

lechiffre55

You could well be right. I don't know how politicians think, but if it results in getting something done, that is a plus. I just hope that cross-party support doesn't mean compromising on the essentials.

I've found the sight of MSP's across all parties sending each other supportive messages after they've been attacked by TRA's to be very cheering. The message has often been 'we might not agree on everything politically but I hope you're alright'. In some ways, it would be good to see more cross party working when there's a common goal rather than boundary lines of political parties being held so ridgedly.

Ramblingnamechanger · 11/04/2024 23:29

But still no apologies from anyone it seems.

Rainbowshit · 12/04/2024 12:46

Skyellaskerry · 11/04/2024 07:33

I’m also interested in Scottish comment including Scottish Labour.

This is my Labour MSP's response:

Thank you very much for taking the time to write to me regarding the prescription of puberty blockers to children with gender dysphoria, and for drawing my attention to this research paper.

As you will know, the final report of the long-awaited Cass Review was published on Wednesday, which has identified a number of significant issues around the provision of gender identity services for children and young people until now. Whilst the scope of the independent inquiry conducted by Hilary Cass was limited to NHS service provision in England specifically, it is clear that its findings will have wider implications for gender identity service provision in the rest of the UK and beyond, and that current practices in Scotland must be reviewed in light of her recommendations in order to ensure that treatment provision in Scotland evolves in-line with current best practice, to ensure the very highest standard of care for the vulnerable children and young people who access these services.

I am particularly concerned by points highlighted by the Cass Review that aspects of the affirmative approach taken to care provision to date have not been evidence-based, including the prescription of puberty blockers to children and young people under the age of 18. Cass’ final report makes clear that in her professional opinion, a medical pathway for treatment will only be appropriate in a minority of cases, where it should be accompanied by psychological and psychosocial support. I am further aware that concerns have been raised by David Bell, the former governor of the Tavistock Clinic in London, that a similar, affirmative approach to treatment is currently being followed at the Sandyford Gender Service in Glasgow, and that puberty blockers are reportedly still being prescribed there. I believe that treatment provision in Scotland should now be reviewed as a matter of urgency in the light of the recommendations made by the Cass Review – I welcome that the Scottish Government has committed to look into the way that service provision in Scotland is currently run, and will monitor the situation going forward to ensure that this promise is upheld.

It is clear from the report’s recommendations that an evidence-based, multidisciplinary and holistic provision of care is needed, and that it is crucial that this is available to the children and young adults who need it in a timely fashion. The report highlights that a lack of NHS capacity in this specialism and the resultant long waiting times have caused gender questioning children and young people in England considerable further distress at an already challenging developmental stage in their lives, leaving them to look for support elsewhere, including online. These shortcomings could be equally applicable to the current service provision in Scotland. Just one specialist gender identity clinic – the Sandyford Clinic in Glasgow – currently caters for children and young people under the age of 18, resulting in long waiting times as well as long distances to travel for those living further away from the Central Belt. A Freedom of Information request by BBC Scotland revealed that at the end of 2023, 1,100 young patients were on the waiting list for this service, which is highly concerning given the detrimental impact on children’s’ mental health and wellbeing which was highlighted by the report. The Cass Review is clear that children and young people with gender incongruence and gender related distress deserve to receive the same standards of care as other children and young people, and the status quo is simply not good enough. Scottish Labour remains firmly committed to bringing down NHS waiting lists, and I will continue to push the Scottish Government to do so, as well as closely monitoring the ongoing developments in gender identity care for children and young people now that the Cass Review has been published.

Rainbowshit · 12/04/2024 12:47

And predictable from the Scottish Greens:

I hope this finds you well. Thank you for taking the time to get in touch with Ross' office.

Thank you for bringing our attention to the Cass Review's report into trans healthcare in NHS England. You will of course be aware that healthcare is devolved, and that the Review did not consider or make recommendations for the NHS in Scotland.

We will of course consider and scrutinise the report in that context; in particular, we note the significant concerns raised about the quality of the report's methodology which disregarded the vast majority of existing clinical evidence of trans healthcare through the use of inappropriate and arbitrary standards of admissibility, which is not regularly applied to other aspects of paediatric care or medicine.

We believe that trans and gender non-conforming young people are being badly let down by the substandard quality of healthcare which they are offered. We are proud that, with Greens in Government, we are improving the quality and evidence-base for trans healthcare in Scotland, particularly for children and young people.

All the best,

Blair Anderson (he/him)
Parliamentary Officer
Office of Ross Greer MSP

Skyellaskerry · 12/04/2024 13:22

@Rainbowshit thank you for sharing. What a difference between the two.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 12/04/2024 13:25

we note the significant concerns raised about the quality of the report's methodology which disregarded the vast majority of existing clinical evidence of trans healthcare through the use of inappropriate and arbitrary standards of admissibility, which is not regularly applied to other aspects of paediatric care or medicine.

Funnily enough, the editor-in chief of the British Medical Journal does not agree with Blair Anderson (he/him) about that.

https://www.bmj.com/content/385/bmj.q837

"One emerging criticism of the Cass review is that it set the methodological bar too high for research to be included in its analysis and discarded too many studies on the basis of quality. In fact, the reality is different: studies in gender medicine fall woefully short in terms of methodological rigour; the methodological bar for gender medicine studies was set too low, generating research findings that are therefore hard to interpret. The methodological quality of research matters because a drug efficacy study in humans with an inappropriate or no control group is a potential breach of research ethics. Offering treatments without an adequate understanding of benefits and harms is unethical. All of this matters even more when the treatments are not trivial; puberty blockers and hormone therapies are major, life altering interventions. Yet this inconclusive and unacceptable evidence base was used to inform influential clinical guidelines, such as those of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), which themselves were cascaded into the development of subsequent guidelines internationally (doi:10.1136/bmj.q794).7"

And can I vote for your Labour MSP?

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The Cass review: an opportunity to unite behind evidence informed care in gender medicine

At the heart of Hilary Cass’s review of gender identity services in the NHS is a concern for the welfare of “children and young people” (doi:10.1136/bmj.q820).1 Her stated ambition is to ensure that those experiencing gender dysphoria receive a high st...

https://www.bmj.com/content/385/bmj.q837#ref-7

Rainbowshit · 12/04/2024 13:46

I have sent the link to the BMJ journal back in reply.