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Telegraph: Teaching union opposes schools having to tell parents if child changes gender

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ResisterRex · 06/04/2024 08:39

Read it and weep:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/05/union-against-schools-telling-parents-child-changes-gender/

"A teaching union will campaign against government plans to force schools to tell parents if their child changes gender.
Members of the National Education Unionn_ (NEU) agreed on Friday to oppose what teachers described as the “compulsory ‘outing’” of pupils to parents.
Teachers at the union’s annual conference in Bournemouthh also said they would campaign against a ban on any aspect of “social transitioningg” in schools, which could include allowing children to change their pronounss_ or use lavatories or changing facilities of the opposite sex.
The motion, approved by the majority of delegates at the conference, was drawn up in response to draft government guidancee_ on gender-questioning children.
The long-awaited advice states that schoolss_ in England should not accept all requests for social transitioning and should involve parents in any decision that is made.
Speaking in favour of the campaign against the guidance, Kathryn Barton, an NEU member, said she knew of a seven-year-old who had transitioned during the summer holiday and said that “not a single pupil” had a problem with it.

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Midge Lowe, a teacher from Doncaster, said the Government’s draft guidance was “regressive trash” and said teachers must campaign for it to be withdrawn.
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No delegates at the conference spoke against the motion, which also stated that “schools, colleges and external providers should not change or remove LGBT++_ inclusive policies or curriculum content as ‘knee-jerk’ response to political rhetoric”."

The same union voted to affiliate with Just Like Us

https://x.com/safeschoolsuk/status/1776511307564335381?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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ResisterRex · 07/04/2024 09:42

Every one of them prioritising the demands of these self interested adults over safeguarding children from damaging psychological and for many, medical experimentation

Adultification, in other words. A concept that ignites and inspires activist groups when it suits.

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WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:43

Report by Make space for girls.

The data is stark:

www.makespaceforgirls.co.uk/parkwatch#:~:text=In%20May%202023%2C%20Make%20Space,are%20designed%20out%20of%20parks.

mrshoho · 07/04/2024 10:14

Is there any Union left that has not been captured? I was with Unison for years as support staff in a school. I cancelled my membership some years ago. So many staff are left unprotected.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 10:16

Justme56 · 07/04/2024 10:07

‘children make a more appealing face for a movement that struggles with optics’

https://genspect.org/trans-infantilization-from-cracked-eggs-to-resocialization/

OMG!
That article - such a clear and chilling insight.

WhereAreWeNow · 07/04/2024 10:45

ResisterRex · 07/04/2024 07:34

@WhereAreWeNow, I think members can take their TU to ET:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/57

I'm not saying unions can't face legal challenge from members. I'm just saying I don't think it would be at an employment tribunal because there isn't an employment relationship there.

WhereAreWeNow · 07/04/2024 10:46

mrshoho · 07/04/2024 10:14

Is there any Union left that has not been captured? I was with Unison for years as support staff in a school. I cancelled my membership some years ago. So many staff are left unprotected.

Nope

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 10:52

mrshoho · 07/04/2024 10:14

Is there any Union left that has not been captured? I was with Unison for years as support staff in a school. I cancelled my membership some years ago. So many staff are left unprotected.

I've seen several posters on here recommend Edapt because they are politically neutral while offering a range of support / protection for education staff. I know nothing about them, but here's a link to their website:

https://www.edapt.org.uk/blog/2023/09/which-teaching-union-to-join/

Which teaching union to join? - Edapt

It’s the time of year when many teachers and school staff will be deciding their options when subscribing to a teaching union or edu-legal support such as Edapt (or in some cases both!).What is the decision making process a teacher makes when choosing...

https://www.edapt.org.uk/blog/2023/09/which-teaching-union-to-join

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 07/04/2024 10:58

mrshoho · 07/04/2024 10:14

Is there any Union left that has not been captured? I was with Unison for years as support staff in a school. I cancelled my membership some years ago. So many staff are left unprotected.

I think if your beliefs don't align with the union's anti-safeguarding stance then you're essentially unprotected even if you do pay your dues. I believe this has already happened to quite a few. It's why my DH has left his union - he doesn't believe they'd have his back as they're too busy releasing TRA or pro-Palestine statements, which both have the sum total of zero to do with his job. (edited to add DH is not a teacher, though is public sector)

ResisterRex · 07/04/2024 11:24

@WhereAreWeNow I definitely think I'm right on this one! Where else would you go? Also it's where judges, fire fighters and police officers challenged IIRC.

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ResisterRex · 07/04/2024 11:51

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WarriorN · 07/04/2024 11:52

This week will be an interesting one on the papers.

Boiledbeetle · 07/04/2024 12:08

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 08:29

You read that post correctly. Speakers at the NEU conference were* *very clear. They oppose the guidelines, calling them “compulsory outing". They insist that they can choose to keep secrets from parents, despite parents being the primary carers for a child, morally and legally responsible for safeguarding them.

Socially transitioning a child is pretending they've changed their sex.

We all know it's a fantasy but I suspect the 7 year old child that the speaker cited as having transitioned over a holiday will believe they've really changed sex. They're only 7 and have yet to develop the maturity, critical faculties and insight to challenge any lies that adults might tell them

A teacher's union is demanding the right to socially transition children, in secret from their parents, despite their complete lack of qualifications in sex change for children.

I'm actually aghast that a teacher who teaches an age group that gets particularly excited about Father Christmas coming and woe betide the child who tells the rest of the class that he isn't real thinks those same children would have any concept that "yes you are now a boy" didn't mean EXACTLY that.

AdamRyan · 07/04/2024 14:32

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 08:29

You read that post correctly. Speakers at the NEU conference were* *very clear. They oppose the guidelines, calling them “compulsory outing". They insist that they can choose to keep secrets from parents, despite parents being the primary carers for a child, morally and legally responsible for safeguarding them.

Socially transitioning a child is pretending they've changed their sex.

We all know it's a fantasy but I suspect the 7 year old child that the speaker cited as having transitioned over a holiday will believe they've really changed sex. They're only 7 and have yet to develop the maturity, critical faculties and insight to challenge any lies that adults might tell them

A teacher's union is demanding the right to socially transition children, in secret from their parents, despite their complete lack of qualifications in sex change for children.

Sorry, I just read this. I might sound stupid but "pretending they've changed sex" isn't the same as actually "changing sex" is it?
When you said about changing their bodies I assumed you meant schools were actually "changing sex" e.g. medically transitioning children, without parents knowledge.

Social transitioning doesn't change their bodies.

So I'm totally confused what you meant.

borntobequiet · 07/04/2024 14:46

Social transitioning doesn't change their bodies.

But apparently some people think it does.

You really need to better understand the movement you’ve so clearly bought in to.

crunchermuncher · 07/04/2024 14:58

AdamRyan · 07/04/2024 14:32

Sorry, I just read this. I might sound stupid but "pretending they've changed sex" isn't the same as actually "changing sex" is it?
When you said about changing their bodies I assumed you meant schools were actually "changing sex" e.g. medically transitioning children, without parents knowledge.

Social transitioning doesn't change their bodies.

So I'm totally confused what you meant.

Sounds pretty disingenuous. How would a school medically transistion a child? Of course this isn't happening.

This was discussing the 'school to clinic pipeline' of demand created via social transistion in schools.

How is a 7 year old girl, who may well still believe in father Christmas, going to understand that when their parents and other trusted adults tell them they are now a boy they don't actually mean it, they are all effectively lying about it? This is a social experiment on a grand scale.

ResisterRex · 07/04/2024 14:59

borntobequiet · 07/04/2024 14:46

Social transitioning doesn't change their bodies.

But apparently some people think it does.

You really need to better understand the movement you’ve so clearly bought in to.

This

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 15:12

AdamRyan · 07/04/2024 14:32

Sorry, I just read this. I might sound stupid but "pretending they've changed sex" isn't the same as actually "changing sex" is it?
When you said about changing their bodies I assumed you meant schools were actually "changing sex" e.g. medically transitioning children, without parents knowledge.

Social transitioning doesn't change their bodies.

So I'm totally confused what you meant.

Not to worry if you don't understand. This is an ideology based on untruths, mangling language and attempting to upend facts, science and the social contract so we all struggle at times with meanings.

If you socially transition a child you are telling that child of any age that you believe they are the opposite sex. The NEU is in favour of doing this in secret from parents.

You are correct that schools can't perform on children double mastectomies, orchiectomies, bone shaving and all the other brutal surgeries connected with creating a facsimile of the opposite sex. But they can and some do engage in the process of social transitioning which leads a child to believe that subsequently, drugs and surgery will magically complete their sex change. Especially when some schools engage with organisations like the scandal hit Mermaids, Stonewall and other adult groups very keen on assisting children to medically transition.

So nobody's saying schools are wielding the surgeon's knife on children. But we are pointing out that some are engaging in an unevidenced psychological experiment on children despite their lack of qualifications to do this. I posted a useful article from a clinical psychologist upthread about the harm that happens to young children from this experiment. Here's what happens to teenagers when adults engage in telling them they're not the sex they are. Hope you find it helpful:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/teenager-says-theyre-transgender/

When a teenager says they're transgender - Transgender Trend

What's the best approach when a teenager says they're transgender? Are there risks in the affirmation and social transition approach?

https://www.transgendertrend.com/teenager-says-theyre-transgender

mrshoho · 07/04/2024 16:25

Excellent reply 👏 @MrsOvertonsWindow
I admire your style!

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 07/04/2024 20:48

They're grooming children into wanting a medical sex change later - because everyone is telling them they really are the opposite sex, but their body isn't, which means they need surgery.

Not only that they're coercing all the other children to play along with this lie. They're making little children believe this will be what happens in real life too, when it won't. A teacher can make little kids lie, that won't work in the adult world.

If you tell little kids they need a certain thing, particularly if it's a trusted adult doing the telling, they'll believe you. This is why we have systems in place to try and avoid paedophiles working in schools (because we know if they gain a child's trust then tell them to do something they may well do it) and why there is the whole bit about emotional abuse including introducing developmentally inappropriate concepts to children in Keeping Children Safe in Education, the statutory safeguarding guidance for schools.

If you tell children they'll be utterly miserable if they don't get X, Y or Z, they'll believe you and they WILL be miserable if they don't get X, Y or Z. Marketing campaigns are often based around this idea. But if it's your teacher or parent telling you this, and that 'transition' is what you need, that's even more compelling and a hell of a lot more dangerous than the latest my little pony.

Social transition will often make it virtually impossible for a child to grow out of their dysphoria and avoid medical transition.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 22:04

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 07/04/2024 20:48

They're grooming children into wanting a medical sex change later - because everyone is telling them they really are the opposite sex, but their body isn't, which means they need surgery.

Not only that they're coercing all the other children to play along with this lie. They're making little children believe this will be what happens in real life too, when it won't. A teacher can make little kids lie, that won't work in the adult world.

If you tell little kids they need a certain thing, particularly if it's a trusted adult doing the telling, they'll believe you. This is why we have systems in place to try and avoid paedophiles working in schools (because we know if they gain a child's trust then tell them to do something they may well do it) and why there is the whole bit about emotional abuse including introducing developmentally inappropriate concepts to children in Keeping Children Safe in Education, the statutory safeguarding guidance for schools.

If you tell children they'll be utterly miserable if they don't get X, Y or Z, they'll believe you and they WILL be miserable if they don't get X, Y or Z. Marketing campaigns are often based around this idea. But if it's your teacher or parent telling you this, and that 'transition' is what you need, that's even more compelling and a hell of a lot more dangerous than the latest my little pony.

Social transition will often make it virtually impossible for a child to grow out of their dysphoria and avoid medical transition.

What a good post. One of the things that years ago alerted me to the extreme levels of psychological manipulation of children was "guidance" from the scandal hit Mermaids that advised primary schools to arrange a special assembly to "celebrate" a confused child who'd been encouraged to believe they'd been born in the wrong body. So primary schools held assemblies to introduce Peter to his classmates, now transformed into Tiffany. Thus ensuring poor Tiffany was socially glued into their new identity, unable in light of their young age to ever speak out and change their mind.

Emotional abuse of a child.

Datun · 07/04/2024 23:24

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 22:04

What a good post. One of the things that years ago alerted me to the extreme levels of psychological manipulation of children was "guidance" from the scandal hit Mermaids that advised primary schools to arrange a special assembly to "celebrate" a confused child who'd been encouraged to believe they'd been born in the wrong body. So primary schools held assemblies to introduce Peter to his classmates, now transformed into Tiffany. Thus ensuring poor Tiffany was socially glued into their new identity, unable in light of their young age to ever speak out and change their mind.

Emotional abuse of a child.

Yep. Which one was it who recommended a celebratory cake, and a load of cutesy penguins being festive around the transition?

Either GIRES or gendered intelligence.

Utterly sinister recruiting of young children.

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