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Telegraph: Teaching union opposes schools having to tell parents if child changes gender

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ResisterRex · 06/04/2024 08:39

Read it and weep:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/05/union-against-schools-telling-parents-child-changes-gender/

"A teaching union will campaign against government plans to force schools to tell parents if their child changes gender.
Members of the National Education Unionn_ (NEU) agreed on Friday to oppose what teachers described as the “compulsory ‘outing’” of pupils to parents.
Teachers at the union’s annual conference in Bournemouthh also said they would campaign against a ban on any aspect of “social transitioningg” in schools, which could include allowing children to change their pronounss_ or use lavatories or changing facilities of the opposite sex.
The motion, approved by the majority of delegates at the conference, was drawn up in response to draft government guidancee_ on gender-questioning children.
The long-awaited advice states that schoolss_ in England should not accept all requests for social transitioning and should involve parents in any decision that is made.
Speaking in favour of the campaign against the guidance, Kathryn Barton, an NEU member, said she knew of a seven-year-old who had transitioned during the summer holiday and said that “not a single pupil” had a problem with it.

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Midge Lowe, a teacher from Doncaster, said the Government’s draft guidance was “regressive trash” and said teachers must campaign for it to be withdrawn.
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No delegates at the conference spoke against the motion, which also stated that “schools, colleges and external providers should not change or remove LGBT++_ inclusive policies or curriculum content as ‘knee-jerk’ response to political rhetoric”."

The same union voted to affiliate with Just Like Us

https://x.com/safeschoolsuk/status/1776511307564335381?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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WarriorN · 07/04/2024 08:00

ResisterRex · 07/04/2024 07:34

@WhereAreWeNow, I think members can take their TU to ET:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/57

I'd support this

RedToothBrush · 07/04/2024 08:09

Kathryn Barton, an NEU member, said she knew of a seven-year-old who had transitioned during the summer holiday and said that “not a single pupil” had a problem with it.

Hi I'm Kathryn. I have no concept of seven year olds becoming older and it becoming an issue as kids hit puberty and become emotional mature enough to understand. I have no concept of what makes children feel unable what grown ups tell them. I have no concept of how a child socially transitioned at 7 might feel at 13 and whether they would be able to socially detransition given evidence that it was fairly normal to detransition. I have no concept of parents being homophobic, sexually abusive, children being autistic or just generally being sexist and this being a contributing factor to forcing transition due to a lack of ability to comprehend what transitioning actually means.

Hi I'm Kathryn and my brains fell out and I can't think beyond seven year olds just being nice.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 07/04/2024 08:28

RedToothBrush · 07/04/2024 08:09

Kathryn Barton, an NEU member, said she knew of a seven-year-old who had transitioned during the summer holiday and said that “not a single pupil” had a problem with it.

Hi I'm Kathryn. I have no concept of seven year olds becoming older and it becoming an issue as kids hit puberty and become emotional mature enough to understand. I have no concept of what makes children feel unable what grown ups tell them. I have no concept of how a child socially transitioned at 7 might feel at 13 and whether they would be able to socially detransition given evidence that it was fairly normal to detransition. I have no concept of parents being homophobic, sexually abusive, children being autistic or just generally being sexist and this being a contributing factor to forcing transition due to a lack of ability to comprehend what transitioning actually means.

Hi I'm Kathryn and my brains fell out and I can't think beyond seven year olds just being nice.

I do wonder why Kathryn, with her woeful understanding of child development, thinks she's qualified to cheerlead such a serious medical intervention.

Let's hope Kathryn reads Cass..

And perhaps also some history. If you're thinking that children not speaking up means everything is fine / relying on children speaking up if there's something wrong then a) you're an idiot who doesn't understand the purpose of safeguarding frameworks and b)what are the adults FOR, exactly? Children mature enough to understand all the complex issues around social and medical transition and wider impacts on the entire school community surely could also just teach themselves? They might be better off if it's a choice between that and Kathryn.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 08:29

AdamRyan · 07/04/2024 00:31

OK thanks. I read your post as saying schools were actually changing children's sex without parents knowledge and was a bit surprised Confused
Should have picked up on the sarcasm

You read that post correctly. Speakers at the NEU conference were* *very clear. They oppose the guidelines, calling them “compulsory outing". They insist that they can choose to keep secrets from parents, despite parents being the primary carers for a child, morally and legally responsible for safeguarding them.

Socially transitioning a child is pretending they've changed their sex.

We all know it's a fantasy but I suspect the 7 year old child that the speaker cited as having transitioned over a holiday will believe they've really changed sex. They're only 7 and have yet to develop the maturity, critical faculties and insight to challenge any lies that adults might tell them

A teacher's union is demanding the right to socially transition children, in secret from their parents, despite their complete lack of qualifications in sex change for children.

SinnerBoy · 07/04/2024 08:41

ResisterRex · Yesterday 21:30

An analysis of more than 600 school equality and trans policies reveals that up to three-quarters misrepresent laws protecting sex and gender, with some implementing rules that allow boys to use girls’ lavatories and changing rooms if they say they are a girl.

As we know, from countless posts with links to the law on this, having children over the age of 8 share toilet and changing facilities is illegal.

To be clear, these schools are being allowed to break the law.

RedToothBrush · 07/04/2024 08:45

AdamRyan · 07/04/2024 00:31

OK thanks. I read your post as saying schools were actually changing children's sex without parents knowledge and was a bit surprised Confused
Should have picked up on the sarcasm

Part of the very issue here is the conflation of gender with sex, thus leading to the idea that if you socially transition from one set of gender stereotypes to another you can change sex. Which is the level of understanding a seven year old has.

Gender is not sex and no one can change sex.

In trying to muddy the waters, seven year olds are deliberately mislead and it's only when they are old enough to understand

borntobequiet · 07/04/2024 08:47

Part of the very issue here is the conflation of gender with sex

It’s an enormous part of the issue, and one reason why I always correct “gender” to “sex” if I possibly can.

ResisterRex · 07/04/2024 08:50

RedToothBrush · 07/04/2024 08:09

Kathryn Barton, an NEU member, said she knew of a seven-year-old who had transitioned during the summer holiday and said that “not a single pupil” had a problem with it.

Hi I'm Kathryn. I have no concept of seven year olds becoming older and it becoming an issue as kids hit puberty and become emotional mature enough to understand. I have no concept of what makes children feel unable what grown ups tell them. I have no concept of how a child socially transitioned at 7 might feel at 13 and whether they would be able to socially detransition given evidence that it was fairly normal to detransition. I have no concept of parents being homophobic, sexually abusive, children being autistic or just generally being sexist and this being a contributing factor to forcing transition due to a lack of ability to comprehend what transitioning actually means.

Hi I'm Kathryn and my brains fell out and I can't think beyond seven year olds just being nice.

The more concerning interpretation is that this person knows damn well that children will feel the power dynamic and stay quiet for that reason.

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WarriorN · 07/04/2024 08:55

It's horrific.

The teaching union is supposed to be a on top of its game.

It's wilfully leading teachers into situations where they could be charged with major safeguarding violations and potentially sued by parents.

They are not the government and they are not clinically trained.

Trans activists have found loopholes where they can target the most vulnerable in society with their ideology and coercion.

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 08:57

The more concerning interpretation is that this person knows damn well that children will feel the power dynamic and stay quiet for that reason.

Yes. safeguarding training explores how children can be easily coerced and targeted. Manipulated.

It's sinister when you really consider the wider implications, and what we know about some individuals linked to WPATH etc.,

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 07/04/2024 08:59

SinnerBoy · 07/04/2024 08:41

ResisterRex · Yesterday 21:30

An analysis of more than 600 school equality and trans policies reveals that up to three-quarters misrepresent laws protecting sex and gender, with some implementing rules that allow boys to use girls’ lavatories and changing rooms if they say they are a girl.

As we know, from countless posts with links to the law on this, having children over the age of 8 share toilet and changing facilities is illegal.

To be clear, these schools are being allowed to break the law.

And being encouraged by the NEU to break the law.

It's very serious. How are parents supposed to trust teachers when this anti-safeguarding, law breaking rubbish is what their unions are promoting?

And the DfE is worrying about the tsunami of families choosing to homeschool. Not very bright or good at joining dots are they?

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 07/04/2024 09:02

Oh and also all the pressure about attendance. If my DD was in a school without single sex toilets I would NOT make her go to school during her period. If the school can break the law and fail to safeguard my child, I'd think, I'm bloody well going to follow suit in order to safeguard my child.

Development charities know that single sex, female only toilets are a prerequisite for girls to access education and yet somehow in this country we're too stupid to realise this still applies to girls in the UK too.

I bet there is lower attendance in schools where there are only mixed sex (even if by stealth) toilets. Funny how no-one's done this analysis, it should be easy.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 07/04/2024 09:08

Actually, if my daughter was in a school without single sex toilets I'd actually consider homeschooling until she could be moved - mixed sex toilets are unsafe for girls, I wouldn't want to wait until she was assaulted before I acted to safeguard.

I have to say, I'm not religious but there are big religious groupings within DDs school and I am very very grateful for the leadership the parents in these communities have shown as it's partly down to them I believe our children still have the security of the school not breaking the law on toilets. They are very clear about single sex toilets. Also the Headteacher is brilliant.

Why are some children being used in a queer theory experiment whilst others get their legal rights upheld? This is discrimination where some children are afforded their legal rights / proper safeguarding and others aren't. At a school level. There needs to be legal action on this.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 09:11

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 08:57

The more concerning interpretation is that this person knows damn well that children will feel the power dynamic and stay quiet for that reason.

Yes. safeguarding training explores how children can be easily coerced and targeted. Manipulated.

It's sinister when you really consider the wider implications, and what we know about some individuals linked to WPATH etc.,

It makes me despair. All adults in schools receive safeguarding training. The level of cognitive dissonance required to understand concepts like informed consent, age appropriate, emotional abuse, coercive control while believing that a 7 year old has "changed sex" and nobody questions it is unbelievable.

I know this is as a result of policy capture at the highest levels but I never thought that with our history of whistle blowing and our institutional knowledge about systematic abuse in schools, children's homes, sport, Savile etc that all these institutions would be suddenly open to capture by adults insisting that children can and should change sex.

Every one of them prioritising the demands of these self interested adults over safeguarding children from damaging psychological and for many, medical experimentation.

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:11

And participation in sports and exercise for girls is well known to be an issue as they hit puberty.

Girls need single sex sports within schools and obviously also changing spaces. And those who are part of very strict religions or cultures.

Athletes are now using sports science targeted at women which has been demonstrated to need entirely different approaches; this should be being taught at school imo to maximise girl's participation.

There's even a report out last year on parks looking at how they were accessed that described how teen boys did but teen girls didn't use parks as they were more geared for boys' interests.

Sexism is alive and well everywhere. Women are still invisible

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:14

Also @MrsOvertonsWindow, the universities training teachers who are now teaching in schools, and may well be into their 5th year, have been actively involved in promoting this ideology.

Hence the pile of trans activist children's books too.

Leeds Beckett university openly boasts on its website about how it uses children's story books to teach trans inclusion.

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:15

in primary schools

Ellysa · 07/04/2024 09:16

It’s really upsetting that people this stupid can become teachers.

SinnerBoy · 07/04/2024 09:18

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · Today 08:59

And being encouraged by the NEU to break the law.

Precisely, it definitely needs to be challenged legally.

Re your comments about your daughter and hypothetical unisex toilets: there are charities which build toilets for girls in schools, in places like India. This raises their participation in education, as without their own toilets, many just won't go.

Why is this country regressing here? It's absolutely batshit.

Ellysa · 07/04/2024 09:20

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:11

And participation in sports and exercise for girls is well known to be an issue as they hit puberty.

Girls need single sex sports within schools and obviously also changing spaces. And those who are part of very strict religions or cultures.

Athletes are now using sports science targeted at women which has been demonstrated to need entirely different approaches; this should be being taught at school imo to maximise girl's participation.

There's even a report out last year on parks looking at how they were accessed that described how teen boys did but teen girls didn't use parks as they were more geared for boys' interests.

Sexism is alive and well everywhere. Women are still invisible

This is a very interesting point re. parks being geared to boys. At my local park 90% of the field is dominated by boys playing football, if girls stray intot hatnsoace the boys kick the ball at the girls which hurts them, the boys find this hilarious. The girls’ play (mostly gymnastics and imaginative play) is pushed to the edge of the field, where the parents constantly tell off the girls doing cartwheels because the girls’ skirts obviously flop around. No wonder girls give up.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 07/04/2024 09:20

This raises their participation in education, as without their own toilets, many just won't go.

It's been known for decades this is true.

And yet the Dfe says why is attendance for some so low WHYYYY??? Do the analysis - I bet attendance is lower for girls in general and especially during their period in schools with mixed toilets. FFS, the DfE and Keegan in particular are dim as dim can be.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 09:29

Ellysa · 07/04/2024 09:20

This is a very interesting point re. parks being geared to boys. At my local park 90% of the field is dominated by boys playing football, if girls stray intot hatnsoace the boys kick the ball at the girls which hurts them, the boys find this hilarious. The girls’ play (mostly gymnastics and imaginative play) is pushed to the edge of the field, where the parents constantly tell off the girls doing cartwheels because the girls’ skirts obviously flop around. No wonder girls give up.

Yes - the same applies to school playgrounds. Unless adults intervene and plan / organise spaces / activities during breaks, boys playing football often dominate the space .

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 07/04/2024 09:35

Every one of them prioritising the demands of these self interested adults over safeguarding children from damaging psychological and for many, medical experimentation.

It would be interesting to do a prospective cohort study of mental health outcomes of children in schools captured by gender woo vs those resisting the gender woo. Since it's generally a whole school thing - either you're lying to children about whether they can change sex or not (depending on the SLT), and either you're compelling all the other children to lie or not - there should be abundant opportunity to do this.

Plenty of schools are safeguarding girls still, and not breaking the law, my DDs is one

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:40

I don't know why schools stopped using the book bills new frock.

All these sexism issues and boys dominating the playground were covered.

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:42

Report on parks in SW:

exepose.com/2023/10/04/gender-bias-in-the-design-of-parks/

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