Humza Yousaf says JK Rowling's tweets are a 'perfect example'

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-68725547

Wasn't sure which thread to put this on, so ...

'Humza Yousaf said he was "not surprised" police had assessed JK Rowling's online posts challenging the new hate crime law to be non-criminal.
The Harry Potter author described several transgender women as men, including convicted prisoners, trans activists and other public figures.
The legislation creates a crime of "stirring up hatred" relating to protected characteristics.
But Police Scotland said no action would be taken against Ms Rowling.
The first minister said the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021 "protects the most vulnerable and marginalised in our in society" while also safeguarding "freedom of expression and freedom of speech".

Mr Yousaf told BBC Scotland News: "Those new offenses that have been created by the act have a very high threshold for criminality.
"The behaviour has to be threatening or abusive and intends to stir up hatred.
"So it doesn't deal with people just being offended or upset or insulted."
He said Ms Rowling's posts on X were a "perfect example of that".
The first minister added: "Anybody who read the act will not have been surprised at all that there's no arrests made.
"JK Rowling's tweets may well be offensive, upsetting and insulting to trans people.
"But it doesn't mean that they meet a threshold of criminality of being threatening or abusive and intending to stir up hatred."
Mr Yousaf said it was up to Police Scotland to decide how to deal with hate incidents.'

Rangers are protestant and celtic are Catholic, they are both Glasgow clubs so it's shall we say somewhat harsh and offensive when the fans get chanting and singing with lots of the f words (not fuck the anti Catholic 1) from 1 side and lots of the opposite words from the other

KJK is holding a Let Women Speak event in Edinbugh this Saturday. It will be interesting to see how that goes.
Apparently special Hate Crime police are going to be there.

Secondly, can any resident of the uk sign the petition? It reads like that…

I should bloody hope so, given that the legislation can affect any resident of the UK and indeed the world. The guidance on it specifically says that.

What a waste of resource's wonder how many will be at the old firm match .

The fact that any definition.of womanhood that can be achieved by the male-bodied requires denying the full gamut of physical and social expetiences that come with being female in favour of what a male society projects on to us and is therefore offensive, upsetting and insulting to many female people is never acknowledged.
Wonderful explanation, @FlirtsWithRhinos

Thanks. Oh of course. Singing and chanting. I hadn’t thought of that. I was wondering about tension outside the stadium.

Brill. Thanks.

She’s not just being a protective cloak around crimes, she’s throwing down the gauntlet about NCHIs as well

This is interesting phrasing.

TWAW but sex offenders only self describe as trans. I assumed that the Guardian would support self ID but apparently not.

Excellent.

She's testing the theory on equality in law. If a certain group with protected status are going to be treated differently to celebrities and other groups then I guess Police Scotland are breaking the law by being discrimatory.

Would make that test case on non hate crimes utterly fascinating.

Imagine that it's mainly women being reported and putting their liveihoods at risk and they go for compensation and damages for stress and potential loss of income from Police Scotland because they have not actually broken the law and have stated material reality which affects their lives. Imagine if it is in practice at odds with Article 10 rights of expression free from the State.

If you had a benefactor willing to fund a good lawyer...

Passes popcorn whilst awaiting data on whether non-crimes have indeed been registered

What is the legitimate purpose of recording and storing this data again?

"We are just checking up on which people potentially pose a threat to society by recording the names of people who have been reported for observing biology because some bloke off the internet reported them. We don't know the name of this bloke or where he lives or whether he has an agenda of harassment and intimidation of women but we will record the names of the women anyway. Just in case they are a risk to society. Vexatious? Na we don't consider that we just put names on a blacklist on the DBS database. Victim of rape? Concerned parent? Someone who works in data handling? Medical professional? Social worker or teacher concerned about safeguarding? All fair game for a black list. Whistleblower? Na doesn't matter. Their name will go on Ze List too. Are we The Baddies?"

Will this survive contact with the law? Do we need a test case? Who will fund this test case?

Answers on a postcard to Hogwarts.

This is utterly ridiculous.

This was always going to happen when you bring in a law that you yourself don’t know what meets the threshold of criminality.

The police surely should just be needing to enforce the laws tht the government have passed?

Not be told it’s ‘down to them to interpret it’ after a couple of hours of training.

That’s just bad fucking law making, and passing the buck.

Hooray for JKR for testing the law ❤️

Totally agree.

I don't understand IW linking it back to Jewish people or black people

A black woman is a woman is a woman. A Jewish woman is a woman. A trans woman is a man

Leaked from the Scottish Chief Superintendants Whatsapp Group

"Ah'm no arrestin her, A've got the pure heavy fear man"
"Aye nae danger man, Ah heard her lawyer's briefcase is the size of a polis van"
"Mon let's send oot for Greggs and tell Baw Jaws doon at Holyrood we're daein nowt"

I feel so furious about this verbal gymnastics. They are in such violation here of their own policy of accepting self-descriptions of gender identity. All because they can't bring themselves to use the phrase 'trans women sex offenders'. Why should that be more unacceptable than saying 'trans women activists'? Some but not all trans women are sex offenders, just like some but not all trans women are activists. Refusing to use the same phraseology for both shows the extent of their unwillingness to report with simple accuracy in relation to these issues.

I suspect that whoever wrote it somehow felt the phrase 'trans women sex offenders' was transphobic, or that the public can't be trusted to hear it without weaving transphobia into it. But why isn't the guardian's editorial team challenging this journalist's decision? There are a million facts reported daily which bigots can weave their bigotry into. That isn't generally held to make those facts unspeakable. WTF is wrong with The Guardian?

Do we want police who deal with criminals or hurt feelings?

There are two extra Genders in Scotland : 'Rapist Gender' and 'At It Gender'

But Indy isn't a man, Indy has crocheted Indyself a cervix and everything. Indy is pretty and kind (whilst hurling insults at anyone who disagrees) and airheaded and always wears lippy so not only is Indy a woman but Indy is better at womaning than boring old natal women who barely bother to perform womanhood but still think they count as woman.

Disclaimer - in Indy's 'pretty little head' not in mine.

Yes - I think this is very significant.

They were saying that Yousaf's "white" comments were made prior to the act becoming law - but surely that shouldn't matter because they are available for "publication" (in the legal sense) today, and every time they are viewed/ listened to in Scotland is a separate offence as I understand it (IANAL, as is probably obvious).

I think the likelihood of the law being used against SMPs had never entered their pretty little heads.

The absolute weasels. Andrew/Amy Miller is certainly a transwoman, had been calling himself one for years. I can't remember who else was in the list- Kate Dolatowski? Yes, as far as I know has been a transwoman for years. Oh, Isla Bryson. Well, who knows, but I don't see how the Guardian gets to make that call.

Even extreme trans activists are usually able to grasp that trans people are just like other people and capable of committing crime. The Guardian seem to be clinging to the idea of a sacred caste that can do no wrong.

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It ran out that way - backwards . . .

Football chants are, by their very nature, viciously insulting towards the religion, sexuality, intelligence, legitimacy. race, physical appearance, personal habits, and morals of the wives, mothers and sisters, of the opposing teams and supporters.

They are very sweary, and rarely use one insult when five are available.

They are also a great and (IMO) admirable part of British culture, and rarely erupt into post-game knife fights any more.

I'm always impressed how apparently one bloke will start them off, and then the rest of the fans join in, all apparently knowing all the words to sometimes quite complex chants which can change week by week.

There's an anthropology PhD in there for someone, somewhere, I'm sure.

I bet they all look like the Child Catcher out of Chitty-Chitty Bang-Bang.

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