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Humza Yousaf says JK Rowling's tweets are a 'perfect example'

152 replies

ArabellaScott · 03/04/2024 21:02

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-68725547

Wasn't sure which thread to put this on, so ...

'Humza Yousaf said he was "not surprised" police had assessed JK Rowling's online posts challenging the new hate crime law to be non-criminal.
The Harry Potter author described several transgender women as men, including convicted prisoners, trans activists and other public figures.
The legislation creates a crime of "stirring up hatred" relating to protected characteristics.
But Police Scotland said no action would be taken against Ms Rowling.
The first minister said the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021 "protects the most vulnerable and marginalised in our in society" while also safeguarding "freedom of expression and freedom of speech".

Mr Yousaf told BBC Scotland News: "Those new offenses that have been created by the act have a very high threshold for criminality.
"The behaviour has to be threatening or abusive and intends to stir up hatred.
"So it doesn't deal with people just being offended or upset or insulted."
He said Ms Rowling's posts on X were a "perfect example of that".
The first minister added: "Anybody who read the act will not have been surprised at all that there's no arrests made.
"JK Rowling's tweets may well be offensive, upsetting and insulting to trans people.
"But it doesn't mean that they meet a threshold of criminality of being threatening or abusive and intending to stir up hatred."
Mr Yousaf said it was up to Police Scotland to decide how to deal with hate incidents.'

humza yousaf

Yousaf 'not surprised' JK Rowling posts are not criminal

The Harry Potter author challenged Scotland's new hate crime law by describing several transgender women as men.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-68725547

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Emotionalsupportviper · 03/04/2024 21:06

Is this because they have received umpteen complaints about him as well?

DeliberatelyDefiant · 03/04/2024 21:07

More complaints about him that JKR- apparently.

lechiffre55 · 03/04/2024 21:08

It's working just as we intended. We couldn't describe how we intended it to work, but we didn't intend to be on the receiving end of all this negative attention, so we're really glad Police Scotland didn't arrest JKR. PHEW!

ResisterRex · 03/04/2024 21:10

EVERYTHING IS FINE

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/04/2024 21:12

I'm not sure if anyone ever thought they were criminal, but it is interesting that no NCHIs were recorded, which going by their rules should have happened.

Brefugee · 03/04/2024 21:13

it is going to be interesting to see what happens after the next Rangers/Celtic match.

AlisonDonut · 03/04/2024 21:14
This Is Fine GIF

This gif is literally the SNP, all the time.

Merrymouse · 03/04/2024 21:16

Great, but then why was Siobhan Brown suggesting that misgendering might be an offence under this legislation?

EpicPineapple · 03/04/2024 21:16

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/04/2024 21:12

I'm not sure if anyone ever thought they were criminal, but it is interesting that no NCHIs were recorded, which going by their rules should have happened.

How do we know that? I think NCHIs only go on the victim’s file and the person who was accused of being hateful won’t find out.

ResisterRex · 03/04/2024 21:21

Brefugee · 03/04/2024 21:13

it is going to be interesting to see what happens after the next Rangers/Celtic match.

IT WILL BE FINE

Boiledbeetle · 03/04/2024 21:25
Youre Stupid Sonic The Hedgehog GIF by Mashed

The Scottish government today

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/04/2024 21:26

"offensive, upsetting and insulting to trans people" but not criminal not because it's a reasonable thing to say, but because the bar for crinimal is so very very high.

This seems to be the emerging "right side of history" narrative, an implied dabbing of the eyes that to be workable the law has to be so far above what anyone would consider a reasonable bar. A nasty little twist to allow them to continue to condemn women who express any perspective about womanhood other than one that is wholeheartedly accessible by the male-bodied.

The fact that any definition.of womanhood that can be achieved by the male-bodied requires denying the full gamut of physical and social expetiences that come with being female in favour of what a male society projects on to us and is therefore offensive, upsetting and insulting to many female people is never acknowledged.

Northernsouloldies · 03/04/2024 21:29

Boiledbeetle · 03/04/2024 21:25

The Scottish government today

No unfortunately,they never make mistakes remember.or as the rest of us can see...ever admit to them.

Helleofabore · 03/04/2024 21:30

I watch with interest. I want to see the confirmation that there was nothing at all recorded against JKR’s record.

Hoardasurass · 03/04/2024 21:30

Brefugee · 03/04/2024 21:13

it is going to be interesting to see what happens after the next Rangers/Celtic match.

That will be this Saturday

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/04/2024 21:33

Lol, what a prat.

ArabellaScott · 03/04/2024 21:34

Northernsouloldies · 03/04/2024 21:29

No unfortunately,they never make mistakes remember.or as the rest of us can see...ever admit to them.

Yes, if there's one thing that characterises the Scotgov it's their absolutely astonishing refusal to ever own up to mistakes.

Seems a bit defensive, tbh.

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Iamtheoneinten · 03/04/2024 21:35

”It’s all working just as I intended….now where did I leave that ferret…”

KellieJaysLapdog · 03/04/2024 21:37

AlisonDonut · 03/04/2024 21:14

This gif is literally the SNP, all the time.

This Is Fine GIF

If I could be arsed I’d photoshop Humza into this.

Myalternate · 03/04/2024 21:40

“Those new offenses that have been created by the act have a very high threshold for criminality.”

Is it still recorded as a NCHI ?

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2024 21:40

Wow, so permission to 'be offensive, upsetting and insulting to trans people' is granted? As in we have permission to say that men can't be women as if this isn't a fact?

Thank you man.

Vod · 03/04/2024 21:42

Hoardasurass · 03/04/2024 21:30

That will be this Saturday

Great timing!

Crankywiddershins · 03/04/2024 21:43

DeliberatelyDefiant · 03/04/2024 21:07

More complaints about him that JKR- apparently.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2024 21:44

Myalternate · 03/04/2024 21:40

“Those new offenses that have been created by the act have a very high threshold for criminality.”

Is it still recorded as a NCHI ?

Not if your name is Humza or Joanne according to Scottish police.

The rest of us mere mortals aren't really sure though.

Crankywiddershins · 03/04/2024 21:47

EpicPineapple · 03/04/2024 21:16

How do we know that? I think NCHIs only go on the victim’s file and the person who was accused of being hateful won’t find out.

I'm sure JKR will submit a subject access request. Actually I hope they have. Think of the sunlight! And obviously she will get it removed.